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Another investigation. you know which one i'm thinking of. >> the mueller investigation. >> explain the significance for mr. pecker and the national enquirer and ami of a nonprosecution agreement. >> so they are -- please chime in, but they are now -- they are in the clear. >> team america, though. they're helping them with whatever they want to know. >> they have helped them. the question now is, will this go forward for more help? and what did they already tell them? first of all, we knew that mr. pecker and his deputy dylan howard had agreements earlier, kind of more limited agreements. the...

That point -- how much was he spending? everyone was just murmuring about, he doesn't have any ground game. he doesn't have staffers. in the end we see where that didn't really matter. the way he commanded the media cycle. if you are on a campaign, wouldn't you have loved for your campaign to have -- >> the national enquirer? >> he's right. some of this stuff was so weird. the only other alternative would be to find it on infowars and they were splashing it in every grocery aisle on the cover of national enquirer. >> the role of the national enquirer, they were the perfect foil to be involved ...

Beat. i remember you sort of joked about this being part of your beat. talk about sort of the insidious nature. i learned for the first time in your story and reporting that the inquirer was involved in helping him not just smear hillary clinton but win the republican party. how far back and how deep did this relationship go? how did it work on a day-to-day basis? >> there was an agreement at least in august of '15. prosecutors confirmed that. you were talking about it last week in which president trump, then candidate trump, mr. pecker and michael cohen all coordinated protective status for h...

Were on the air. i'd like you to drill down. we've come on the air before, and i think of days like the raid on michael cohen's offices, like flynn flipping. there have been other points where we thought, this is it. but it does seem like the walls are closing in is the wrong image, but the bricks are sort of breaking the roof, you know, buckle. and you spoke to the collusion question. but there also was a bizarre dissembling going on, on the question of the campaign finance violations which are so clear that the president's dear friend mr. pecker signed a nonprosecution agreement. >> and need...

>> already happened. >> are there criminals who are going to model the president's conduct while under federal investigation and make it harder to solve crimes? >> but, of course. the irony is that now law and order donald trump and rudy giuliani are the leaders of the don't be a snitch movement. and the concerns they have about cooperating witnesses are legitimate. there's an incentive to tell the prosecutor what she wants to hear in order to get a good deal in your case which is why mueller has backed up everything that cohen has said with forensic evidence like those tapes that cohen made o...