Questions about accuracy, mail-in voting during a pandemic, all of these things that have been brought up that i think are certainly questions that people can raise without saying that an election was stolen. but the funny thing here is, we're talking in the week after terry mcauliffe was asked about his statements in the 2000 and 2004 election and he didn't back off it either. a lot of these partisans really do get into their dedication when it comes to the idea that anything that they lose is stolen from them. howie: they get dug in. mara, do you buy mike pence's argument -- by the way, sayi...