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Chain. if we make a decision inside of a crisis, because people seize the necessity for change only when there's necessity, and they only see a necessity if there's a crisis. if we wait until that crisis, we will have a much more difficult time, unemployment will be much higher, interest rates will be difficult to bring back down we need tosh proactive over the next two years. >> i noticed that health care -- and i talk about it, costs about twice in this country as any other country, we're the only country with employer-based health care system. we're the only country with a more competitive ...

More and more people will be off the unemployment rolls. >> rick: tony, let me give you the last word. people do like some things, when are we going to hear from republicans to keep those parts in, helping to cover for young college graduate that has don't have health insurance and people with preexisting illnesses and all that stuff? >> there would have been no better reform of the health care system than ending the stupid antitrust exemption for insurance companies across cross state line health insurance reform and that is where the solution is. i'm glad the democrats don't think it's a big...

To succeed, gregg. they will attack the language of the indictment as showing only that there might have been a lie in order to be qualified as perjury, it has to be a lie that is material. that's the key word, material. to the committee's investigation. gregg: right. >> the prosecutors who wrote this indictment did a masterful job, they laid out the basis for the committee's investigation. each and every one of the 15 statements that they used to show the perjury case was totally material to the investigation. clemens has unlimited funds, he can make all the motions he wants, but he's going t...

Industries do. there's two ways to do this, you can work really hard and get 20 cents of your dollar back. >> exactly. >> but if your health insurance company, you get an antitrust exemption and enjoy yourself. if you're steve jobs you better come up with something good. still ahead in "busted" timothy geithner's convenient amnes amnesia. he seemed to forget all about his role in supervising the creation of the process that led to the financial meltdown. but first, should ronald mcdonald retire? many, many more than you think, actually think that that man there ought to hang up the red wig...

Hear the same three things, well, this is what we're passing. republicans are going to support that on the campaign trail. >> but your approach, as you just defined it, is sensible, i think, to most people. and yet none of that appeared, at least publicly, in the public prints and on tv and news programs about the leadership of the republican party -- >> because the media didn't want that to get out. >> or a combination they may have been too afraid of the tea party? >> no, we had paul ryan on this show. i wonder why more networks didn't have paul ryan on? you know, the very things i talked ab...