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Such a vote. remember, 25th amendment can be invoked by the vice president with a majority of the cabinet. that is all it takes for mike pence to remove donald trump from the act of presidency and for mike pence to become the acting president. tonight, in a call to "new york times," president trump played down any concerns that he had about special prosecutor mueller's investigation and the indictment of paul manafort. i'm not under investigation as you know. even if you look at that, there's not even a mention of trump in there. it has nothing to do with us. joining us now, nick ackerman, for...

Trump in there. it has nothing to do with us. joining us now, nick ackerman, former prosecutor and former assistant prosecutor and now a msnbc contributor. betsy woodruff for the daily beast and jason johnson as a contributor. nick, donald trump is saying, first of all, i'm not being investigated. i for one don't take his word for it, if you don't mind. the other part of it, looking at the indictments, one guilty plea, he says he is not in there anywhere. the indictment with the guilty plea is actions taken during the trump campaign, that's how this person is now guilty of a federal crime. >> ...

Investigators came upon a charred piece of skull and the bony fragments of a human hand in the ashes of a camp fire. >> they were badly burned. >> little camp fire pit kind of thing? >> yes. he had actually done a pretty good job of covering it p up. he had covered it up with straw and took measures to hide his tracks. >> the fire had been so thorough it was impossible to extract da from the dons. whoever killed sheryl dunlap had gone to extraordinary lengths to eliminate any physical evidence. there was one thing about tracking the odd guy with the red dog that they had going for them. state'...

So look, here's the story. and i think it's so -- this was an excuse by the democrats and people got carried away. >> meanwhile politico is reporting that trump's lawyers are considering a different approach toward special counsel mueller. according to a senior white house official, if mueller doesn't request an interview by thanksgiving, trump's lawyers might force the issue by volunteering trump's time. however, politico notes that trump lawyer john dodd denied that reporting after the story was published. let's find out what's going on right here. i'm joined by a former watergate assistant ...

Off. >> i don't have to take the plea. i can rip it up. we don't have to take the plea. we can refer this to the grand jury and ultimately to trial. do you want me to let you take this plea or refer to the grand jury? >> i would like you to take the plea. >> i'll ask our assistant prosecutor to move the plea. thank you your honor. >> state would so move. access 1046-13. it's our understanding that the defendant will be pleading guilty to a single count of cds by fraud. state is prepared to recommend time served as a condition of probation. >> once i accept this guilty plea, you're bound by it....