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Imposed executive privilege on this, too. how is this case of executive privilege different from other congressional subpoenas? >> this is white house has already been extremely aggressive in their use of executive privilege. every white house has used it at times. this white house has been way more aggressive than prior administrations and this indication of executive privilege on the citizenship question goes really a step beyond. they're treating executive privilege like a magic wand. it is not just something that the president gets to say, i don't want it turn it over because i'm president...

Blunt instrument. it's not going to be the sort of thing that can help you very deeply microtarget ads to hundreds of thousands -- the sorts of things that russia is being accused of. you would need much more in-depth modeling and statistics. what you could know, for instance, if public polling was showing that trump was not so competitive in a state like wisconsin and internal polling showed he was more competitive in a state like wisconsin, if that was handed to an outside source, it would be of interest. it's incredibly illegal to do that, to share internal polling data with outside sources...

States have made arguments about that you can't come in and strip them to enforcing a fall program. those are decent arguments. what we saw happen here is a step beyond. that is basically shouting from the rooftops getting out of town, the troops are on their way. >> we've seen this in california. like the marijuana industry, for example. that's a whole different ball game compared to this which you would think no matter what, the feds would have jurisdiction over this. that they have the right to say who is in this country and they have the the right to arrest here anybody illegal. if they're...

One of those cities where there's talk of sanctuary cities, talk about standing up to federal law enforcement. i mean, this sounds like what you're saying is that local officials should violate federal law by not enforcing it and not helping federal law enforcement enforce it. again, it must -- i think it would sit uncomfortably with a lot of americans if you were to describe it differently. when i think about the civil rights government, this was the argument of the southern states. they were not going to enforce federal law because it violates our culture and values. so, shouldn't local demo...

This talk of sanctuary cities, there's a lot of talk about standing up to federal law enforcement. i mean, this sounds like what you're saying is that local officials should violate federal law by not enforcing it or not helping federal law enforcement enforce it. again, it must -- i think would sit uncomfortably with a lot of americans if you were to describe it differently. when i think about the civil rights movement, this was the argument of the southern states. the southern states, the local officials would say we're not going 10 to force federal law because it violates our culture and va...