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For a longer piece. It is an extraordinary watershed, historical moment. I think we are living through a third american reconstruction effort to reconstruct democracy so that it is multiracial, multicultural. Our first efforts were after the civil war. 1865 to 1877. We did achieve some racial progress. We had black elected officials. 1500 we had a freedmens bureau. We had the creation of black churches and Public Schools, but we also institutionalized racial segregation rather quickly by the 1880s and 1890s. And we did it through racial violence and public policy. Our second reconstruction is ...

Susan dr. Peniel joseph, you and i planned this interview three months back, but we got sideways with the covid lockdown. As a historian, how are you processing this time this country is going through . Prof. Joseph i have been writing a lot, both opeds in for a longer piece. It is extraordinary watershed moment. I think we are living through a third american reconstruction effort to reconstruct democracy so that it is multiracial, multicultural. Our first efforts were after the civil war. 1865 to 1877. We did achieve some racial progress. We had 15 black elected officials. We had a freedmens ...