quote of the night from the french president, whose choice of english words to describe the wife of australian prime minister turnbull led to this. i would like to thank you and your delicious wife for your warm welcome. delicious. tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. it s been an amazing 24 hours even by the action-packed standards of 2018, there has been lots of drama and washington. as you well know, rudy giuliani revealed on the shale on hannity show that payments cohan made to a star stormy daniels, which seemed like a major story at the time. but within hours it wasn t even the biggest story of the day. nbc news reported that federal law enforcement had wiretapped cohen s phone, it and recorded a michael: cohan certainly seems a shady character but shadiness is not a cry. the fbi can t destroy your life because you talk like a character from the sopranos, those aren t felonies. basic norms were violated, attorney-client privilege is an ancient and vital concept, and so is privacy. let s hope they had a very good reason for doing it. they ve better have good evidence that michael cohen was doing something awful in order to justify this. it turns out that all of this was about a financial sediment with some star which is by the way a story that not a single american is honestly shocked or threatened by no matter what anderson cooper tells you. if that is all it s about then what we are watching is a grotesque violation of civil abilities which would be a real crime, one with actual victims. everyone who believed in surveillance, by search warrants. to get a search warrant from a federal judge on the criminal side, you have to talk about a criminal act that is taking place. a criminal predicate. on the national security side, you have to talk about the threat to national security and talk about why it will be affected negatively in both cases, without these extraordinary measures. i think it is far-fetched, i will be corrected if i am wrong, to see what kind of predicate they could have possibly had in this case. tucker: if it turns out that this is really all about a payment to a star, but to be honest, it s not a surprising story. if it turns out that is really the predicate for this, nor is it surprising that bob mueller would do something like this. look at history. look at how we went into paul would be privileged. and in this case, the federal judge who has control over this case has gone a step further and is turning all that material over to a senior federal judge, barbara jones who is a fantastic dodger, good friend of mine over the years. she will decide what the u.s. government gets to see and what the u.s. government doesn t get to see. tucker: right. but you think, and i should clear it up for audiences who are clear, your career, i wouldn t describe you as a soft on crime liberal at all. but you are saying that what you are watching now is out of line, there is no precedent for it? james: tucker, i don t believe in kicking in doors unless there is a reason for it. and i don t believe in having outrageous search warrants unless there is a real bona fide reason. is there a criminal predicate for this? i would be surprised if there was. if there is it s probably some concoction from some stupid intelligence contact. or is it a national security predicate? i find that would be preposterous. i just think these people are out of control. from the very time that donald trump was the enormity and the republican party, there has been a conspiracy. a fifth column, call it what you want to come up that has tried to stop him from getting elected and, number two, stop his effective work for the people of this country. and look at the magnificent job he has done in the economic front, the foreign relations front, in a year and a half. in my view, more than the last three presidents combined. tucker: i am awestruck that you are saying this because you are not a cable news talking head, and any of our viewers that are not familiar with your career should go to google and look it up. you speak with authority on this subject, and i m shocked by what you said but i am believing you. director. again, giving security clearance to the fbi. and that didn t come up in his hearings. that is troubling to me and the fact that they did that. i would want an inquiry done, if i were back there i would be looking at that. how this happened, who generated it and, was it an fbi background or name check or database check? there is a lot of unanswered questions here. it kind of reflects the way the director of the fbi then, james comey, ran it. tucker: since you served in the fbi under other directors, things were not done this way before? i ve never seen this. we hired contractors. they are essential and needed and paid and vetted. participate in lots of important things, but i ve never seen anything like this where it s an unpaid crony of the director of the fbi, that doesn t make any sense to me. i just wish there was somebody back there that, during that regime would say, director, this is not the way to go. somebody that is not owing to him for a promotion or transfer says, don t do this. this violates at least the look bad rule, and the fbi has an image. i don t think he promoted that. bringing this man on board i think was foolhardy. tucker: speaking of the way the public perceives the fbi, what do you make of colby s book tour, where he has taken a series of very political positions? how does that affect the way citizens feel about your agency? it s troubling. i think the book itself reflects what he was not a successful director of the fbi. the book is entitled, in part, higher authority. he didn t respect our constitution and i think that came out loud and clear when he goes out and makes those out outrageous statements. he ran the most week, fact list investigation and the fbi. and that reflects on him, not us. tucker: thank you for that, i appreciate your perspective on this. i enjoy it, it s always fun. tucker: mike penn was for many years one of the highest advisors to hillary clinton. mark, thank you for coming on. mark: thank you. tucker: you wrote an amazing piece the other day and the hill, titled something like, questions i have for robert mueller. tell us some of the questions that you have. mark: remember i spent a year working for president clinton against ken starr and that. i found that was child s play compared to what s going on here. i found mueller has some questions about what the president was thinking when he fired call me, but i certainly have questions about what he was thinking when he first went to apply for the fbi job in the first place with rosenstein, and then turns around the next day. when he put that team together, and there wasn t a single trumped owner, what was he thinking then? when he looked at these dossiers and discovered there was no foundation there, how did he deal with that, and how does he justify these kinds of really stormtrooper tactics, which is perhaps not an exaggeration when you go guns drawn and political enactments. while he wants to question the president, it seems that no one could really question either mueller or call me or rosenstein, which is precisely the problem. i hate to admit it since i tucker: will thanks for that. mark: i went through it once, i hope i never go through it again. tucker: hillary wouldn t let you, she s too smart for this. china has a plan in place to displace this country. we will talk to marco rubio, who has taken a profound interest in all of this. it s an interesting conversation, stay with us. tucker carlson is brought to you by pacific life. r goals. it s having the confidence to create the future that s most meaningful to you. it s protection for generations of families, and 150 years of strength and stability. and when you re able to harness all of that, that s the power of pacific. ask a financial advisor about pacific life. 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fence and all that is killing tens of thousands of americans every year. americans assume that this country is on top and will be forever but, could we find ourselves overtaken before we know it? michael pillsbury is at the center for train strategies and he is the author of the 100 year man marathon marathon. so you have written i think the central book on this question. so we will stipulate what you say is true because i think it s obviously true. china wants to displace the united states is the most powerful nation in the world. why isn t our leadership political, media, cultural, sounding the alarm on this? lots of companies and individuals have made large amounts of money in china. i hate to be so crass about it, but i have a colleague that invested $200,000,000.06 years later and he had $2 billion in return. that can be a pretty big motivator. second, you have inertia. you have the opening by kissinger and nixon and the bush family being proud of their connections with china. you have almost a strong effort ten years ago to set up g2, and that was backed by kissinger, brezinski, paulson and quite a few people that felt very strongly about u.s. and china together can kind of control the world. i ve had admirals and generals tell me that. so this goodwill feeling of cooperation with china is the way to go, and that is still very strong. i think that explains also why president trump president trump has a lot of pressure on him from the bureaucracy from some in congress, but not all. chuck schumer represents it but the momentum is still there. the third thing is what i call intelligence failure. the u.s. intelligence committee has been wrong about several major things from 1950 on, and it looks like understanding just how sophisticated china was going to be in ripping off our technology, jobs, influence of our political system, that seems to have been gotten wrong. i think the intelligence committee is back on track now but that has also caused kind of we really had a lecturing with the russians, and the soviet union was way over there. we didn t have much to do with them and we certainly didn t have any massive business enterprises. china is deeply inside of us. so we don t want to demonize them totally, we cause problems in our own political system. but we have to be more aware of just how sophisticated they are. tucker: we are spending the next month on a special series on china, and i hope you will come back, michael pillsbury, for that. i appreciate you coming on tonight. tucker: china is clearly a threat to our economy, if nothing else, and becoming more threatening. senator marco rubio is a representative of florida, republican. thank you for coming on. you just talked about a really interesting hotbed about china and you have this line in here that i think all of our viewers should be familiar with. chinese theft cost the u.s. nearly $600 billion annually, eclipsing the combined profits of the top 50 companies in last year s fortune 500 list. that is a remarkable number. why is no one doing anything about that? marco: you know, for the same reason that this is an issue that surprised me. for years i have been a traditionalist on it, thinking like most people dead, it would all work out and being democratic. then that led me to understand the broader plan that they had in place. and this is not an economic plan, this is a plan to undermine not just our competitiveness but the competitiveness of every country in the world, and they are using multiple tools including intellectual property theft to do that. not only are they undermining our industrial base, but our technological base through something called made in china 2,025 where they plan to in aircraft and quantum computing and artificial intelligence, they have laid out the entire agency and are slowly and surely carrying out this plan. tucker: so this is a threat obviously not simply to our economy but to our predominance around the world to our power and our values. why are industries not saying more about this? marco: some of them are starting to make some money over there, and these ceos, they considers themselves to be citizens of the world. these ceos will be gone in eight years, they don t feel any special obligation to the united states, they feel obligation to maximize return for shareholders. as a result, they have a good thing going over there, making money, who cares if they are us stealing technology and in ten years the company won t be able to compete with them? they are working out short term and that makes them look good. others are beginning to complain but they don t want to say so because they don t want to get kicked out. just the other day we heard a united and american airlines are being told that unless they stop defying taiwan as a country, they will no longer be able to fly there. they are threatening them with billions of dollars in revenue. the marriott fired an employee who was american because he put up a tweet about that. over a tweet. so if i could briefly walk through the five points, number one we would prohibit the transfer of any and all technologies that are sensitive. things like quantum computing and biosciences and artificial intelligence, and the like. the second thing we would do is place a tax basically on excess chinese investment in the united states. how that works, a company buys $10 million of fortune 500 stocks, that would raise the price of the stock. that would issue revenues, dividends. they then take that dividend money and use it to buy u.s. treasuries which increases the price of the dollar of the value of the dollar, thereby making american exports more expensive than a chinese export, thereby destroying our capacity. so this is not economic development on their part, is the strategic use of investment as a weapon to undermine their production capacity. we would also put a tax on american companies entering joint ventures with chinese companies because, what they do is they make you partner with them and then they steal your technology, your intellectual property, and all of a sudden they become your global competitor and kick you out and put our companies out of business. these are the kinds of things that we are going to be looking at and putting in place, even the playing field. this is the single most important geopolitical issue of the last hundred years. it will be defined for the 21st century and what it turns out to be. i am grateful you are saying this and i m baffled why not more people are saying this but i m thankful that you set it. thank you senator. marco: all right. tucker: a member of congress is demanding that the u.s. government confiscate by force guns from law-abiding americans. what would happen if the government tried that? that s next then i realized something was missing. me. my symptoms were keeping me from being there. so, i talked to my doctor and learned humira is for people who still have symptoms of crohn s disease 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lose the discussion is when you start taking a talk about taking weapons out of people s homes. tucker: if you believe that guns cause crime, you are not familiar with the data which says the opposite. and if that is not your position then you have to tell me what you re going to do with the hundreds of millions of guns currently in possession of law-abiding americans. those guns are not going away, they left virtually forever. john: and i think that is what representative eric swalwell is proposing. but i don t think that s where the american public is at. tucker: people are horrified when you tell the truth, and he chose to and by the way, he s not an extremist. he s just being honest. john: can speak to people are the 86 gun deaths that happen every day and the majority are not caused by assault weapons. they have 96 of these tragedies that play out every single day in people s homes, and we should reduce that gun violence by expanding background checks to all gun sales. tucker: okay. i m every bit as upset people dying as you are. john: than what is your solution? tucker: my solution is to ask an honest question which is, why is this happening? there are lots of factors here, you are american households have guns than 50 years ago. they are not more effective than it used to be, the calibers are the same, and yet we have mass shootings. it s not the guns shooting, it s insane. john: you can think background checks for reducing gun violence because background checks have blocked 3 million sales of guns to people who shouldn t have them in the first place. tucker: i m not arguing against background. we have background checks absent actually. john: and the majority of people want to expand those background checks into online gun sales and most of them aren t in the area where swalwell is. and the goal is to take the guns away. you have to if you believe what you believe, but you don t want to say it because most americans would find it terrifying. law-abiding people would be punished. john: you are wrong, tucker. having worked with many influential democrats and having worked directly in the gun violence prevention movement, i can tell you you are absolutely wrong, that we want to see a smart, common sense tucker: stop with the propaganda language. i want to know actual solutions. so you leave the hundreds of millions of guns and people peos households. they can basically do what they do now with them and you don t want to change any of that? i think we have talked about making lots of changes including expanding background checks to online gun sales. tucker: that s negligible, very few guns are sold online. let s be adults here, that s silly. it s true, i know the numbers. i know a lot about this. speak to people that can t pass a background check, where do you think they go to buy their guns? gun shows and online. they don t have to have a background check. it doesn t matter whether they are domestic abusers or tucker: just answer my question. these so-called assault rifles, the scary guns. what do we do with them? we let them remain in circulation forever, is that your plan? yes or no. john: that s certainly not my plan. tucker: so you actually agree with swalwell, and i think you know you do. so when you are ready to be honest, come on back. tucker: all right. tucker: the boy scouts have changed their name. we will be back next. child: bye, grandpa! and if you have heart failure, entrusting your heart to entresto may help. entresto is a heart failure medicine that helps improve your heart s ability to pump blood to the body. in the largest heart failure study ever, entresto was proven superior at helping people stay alive and out of the hospital compared to a leading heart failure medicine. don t take entresto if pregnant. it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don t take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren, or if you ve had angioedema with an ace or arb. the most serious side effects are 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you. tucker: the boy scouts, as the boy scouts ceased to exist yesterday, they are now scouts bsa. the general term is designed to reflect their group s new openness toward girls. it was one of the last healthy groups geared toward gun young men. we wanted to ask her view. thanks for having me, i appreciate it. tucker: so i got a bunch of girls and i love them and want what s best for them. so if joining the boy scouts is best for them, i m all for that. but i worry there aren t many places where boys can be boys where they are not under attack for being boys. but, should i be worried? i think this does not indicate that this is the case, but in the 70s the boy scouts had at like 5 million members and they have gone down about 12% and are out about 2.3 million now. so we want the boy scouts to survive. they have been instrumental in the strength of the country, creating leaders in government and science and space travel. we need them. i think what s happening now certainly in the 21st century, and may be the boy scouts can show us the way. this can still be categories and events and projects, and an overarching view about the strengths of boys, and the relationship of boys with boys and the nature in the strength of what young men do will also be able to weave in young women. in their plans, what i have read is this will be separate programs. if it s changing to scouts, the overarching name remains boy scouts of america. and look, i think this is also part of the boy scout framework, about being able to help the nation in general. and i think we are at a stage where the young women who want to have this kind of great experience, keep in mind the girl scouts really are not offering that now. it s more about a social justice warrior framework. i think that if the parents stay involved, the volunteers are involved, and americans make it clear that girls probably want to join, because they want the same experience and at least the character building certainly that the boy scouts offered. tucker: interesting. so you are more optimistic than i am. so in 2018 could you have an all male group that wasn t derided as antifemale, and it wasn t in fact antifemale? you could have a single-sex organization that is not angry at the female. and just because the left doesn t like it doesn t mean we have to adapt and accept their point of view about what s wrong. and this is my worry about the slippery slope, i think it s good and it can be managed but you know what the left will do, they will then argue that, you are not treating the girls equally. these are separate projects, separate experiences and they are going to start to sue to change the principal base of the boy scouts. now look, if you want social justice, join the girl scouts. but we already have 3,000 girls who join the cub scouts because that is what is interesting these young women and their parents. there is nothing we can do that will stop the left from complaining, and we have to make sure that we push back and stand up for groups like the boy scouts that make a difference in this country. tucker: interesting, i hadn t thought of that. you made me feel better.yo tammy: thank you. tucker: s timey next four final exam. stay tuned. entire value plus depreciation. liberty stands with you. liberty mutual insurance. touch is how we communicate with those we love, but does psoriasis ever get in the way? embrace the chance of 100% clear skin with taltz. for people with moderate to severe psoriasis, up to 90% had a significant improvement of their psoriasis plaques. with taltz, 4 out of 10 even achieved completely clear skin. don t use if you re allergic to taltz. before starting, you should be checked for tuberculosis. taltz may increase risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you have an infection, symptoms, or received a vaccine or plan to. inflammatory bowel disease can happen with taltz, including worsening of symptoms. serious allergic 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remember them, there are these handsome buzzers. i asked the question in the first one to buzz in get to answer the question. every correct answer is worth one point and it detracts from your points as the total. are you ready? let s go. tucker: which swedish pop group announced they are getting back together after 35 years to make new music, but they are unsure whether their songs are any good? abba. tucker: did the swedish group give it away? let s check the tape. abba is making a comeback. the swedish band announced their decision to release new songs and a virtual tool after tour 5 years. tucker: i love that. good job. griff is up one. question number two, multiple choice. hillary clinton found yet another group to blame for her loss and the 2016 election. which group is eight. a, the socialists. b, the vegans. or c, the satanic temple. those are good choices. tucker: which group is hillary blaming? i think she s blaming the socialists. tucker: let s see if you are right. if you are in the iowa caucuses and 41% of democrats are socialists or self-described socialists, and i m after you, and capitalists, and i say yes, that probably gets lost in, oh, my gosh, she s a capitalist. tucker: she is definitely a capitalist, that s for sure. nice job. it s 1-1. you versus the injured griff jenkins. question three. george w. bush was making his farewell visit to iraq when a man, you may remember this, took off his shoes and threw them at president bush. the man who threw his shoes is now embarking on a brand-new career. what is it? speech way i could guess at t one. tucker: you could hit the buzzer but you guess. a new career for the shoe thrower? i m going to guess he is going to be like a p/e coach, or baseball or little league. something where he has to throw things, with children. tucker: baseball coach, little league, something from the sporting world where you have to throw things. to the tape we go. he is a man who took nine months in prison for deciding on george bush s farewell tour to pick up his shoes off his feet and throw them at the president. he is now going to be running for office. in case you were wondering, he s running for council of representatives. and i love by the way tucker that you have an arm throwing question in there, by the way. tucker: it s not to make you feel bad, griff. the guy has no self-control, is badly dressed. a politician, of course. question number four. at an event this week, the french president had some trouble with his english, being french. which word did he accidentally use, or they claim it was accidental, to describe the wife of the australian prime minister? 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idiot which trump called an amazing theatrical experience, maybe less amazing if american idiot is now directed at you don t want to be an american idiot jeanne moos, cnn, new york. and thanks for joining us. ac 360 with anderson starts now. it s like the world gone crazy this morning. trump s performance was beyond belief. good evening, everyone. that quote is from a senior european diplomat talking to cnn about the nato summit in brussels and what the president said there today. now, this diplomat we should point out is not alone. the western allies have been talking about it. the russians vietnam be talking about it. the world, and tonight so will we. yet as shocking as it may be to our allies, as troubling as it is to some lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, it should not be surprising whether voters at the time gave it much credence. what happened today in brussels is what donald trump campaigned on. he said he was going to do this. it s the distilled essence of what he has believed, in fact, for years. the problem is the beliefs he campaigned on and tweeted about and stirred up crowds with on the stump, they do not happen to be based in fact, and the concern is he either does not know or does not care to know, or worse that he does know better but chooses instead to disregard the facts to make some larger point. now just to be clear, you can believe a 70-year-old military alliance against soviet and now russian expansion is a good idea or not. you can agree or disagree with the central premise of it, that an take on one nato country is an attack on all. you can take issue with any number of aspects with nato, and later in the program we ll talk to someone who does just that however, the president s main grievance, which he expressed today at a summit breakfast simply is not factual. many countries are not paying what they should. and frankly, many countries owe us a tremendous amount of money for many years back where they re delinquent, as far as i m concerned, because the united states has had to pay for them. the president s suggestion is that nato is a dues paying organization that members chip in to some pot for collective defense, that they don t pay their fair share, they haven t been for years, and they owe the u.s. money. keeping him honest, as you ll see, that is simply not the case. it s not the way it works. it s not even close. it is, however, the way president trump believes it works, and he said so for years. number one, nato is obsolete. and number two, the people aren t paying their way. it s obsolete and we pay too much money. nato, we re going to have the people that aren t paying, they re going to start paying. it s obsolete. they were getting ripped in nato. they don t pay their bills. they are delinquent. so, as you see, he campaigned on the notion. he was electeded on it. he tweeted about it through the presidency, including on the flight over saying many countries in nato, which we are expected to defend are not only short of their current commitment of 2% which is low, but are also delinquent for many years in payments which have not been made. will they reimburse the u.s.? keeping them honest, there is nothing to reimburse beyond a token amount to keep the lights on in brussels, each member nation play pays nothing for collective defense, zero. members have their own defense budgets and have agreed to spend 2% of gdp on defense by 2024. as you can see some have already hit the target. some have not. and yes, the united states does spend far more than any other nato country, and yes, past american president, including the most recent one have criticized nato numbers for not spending enough on defense. past presidents have referred to burden sharing, even used words like contributing. they have not, however, said or suggested that other nato countries owe the united states money, let alone back payments, which again these countries do not. and other presidents have openly recognized that nato member nations contribute to the forward bases that allow the u.s. to be a global military superpower, also, that many sent soldiers who died for news afghanistan after 9/11 because the nato treaty, article 5 calls for just that. in any case, the president believes they re freeloading, and today he demand member nations not only meet the 2% goal immediately, he told them to double the target to 4% of gdp, an amount even the u.s. doesn t spend. he also singled out germany for additional criticism. . but germany, as far as i m concerned is captive to russia because it s getting so much of its energy from russia. we have to talk about the billions and billions of dollars that s being paid to the country that we re supposed to be protecting you against. the president expanded on that in a tweet, explicitly connecting or conflating the idea of defending europe with getting paid. quote, what good is nato, he writes, if germany is paying russia billions of dollars for gas and energy. why are there only 5 out of 29 countries that have met that commitment? the u.s. is paying for europe s protection and then loses on trade. must pay 2% of gdp immediately, not by 2025. this may be shocking to many. it s not, however, a surprise. the president campaigned on much of this. but now that he is acting on it, even some leading republicans are speaking up, albeit in fairly gentle way. yesterday democrats and independents passed a nonbinding resolution in support of nato which for seven decades hasn t been especially controversial. today the outgoing chairman of the senate foreign relations committee weighed in. they believe america s leadership around the world has made the world safer for americans, and made the world a better place. and when i see that leadership diminishing and us trying to break apart alliances that we created, it troubles me. troubles him. unclear, though, if it also troubles president trump. that, however, unclear. the president s next stop is the uk tomorrow morning. british prime minister theresa may saying tonight, and i m quoting here, there is no partners to 4% of gdp. they said they have been saying, and you mentioned it just a few moments ago that they wanted to get to 2% of each member s gdp by 2024. 4% is obviously a pretty big load for some of these countries. it s been a burden that has been shouldered by the u.s. for some time, but, anderson, beyond that, what is a concern to diplomats in the european community, and i talked to some of them. some of our colleagues have been talking to them is that the president seems to have a pattern. that is he goes to summits, he goes to events around the world, and he bashes his allies in europe and around the world and seems to be cozying up to dictators and undemocratic leaders like vladimir putin. that is a big concern to european leaders and other nato members here, and that is surprising. also, his comments about germany basically being under the thumb of russia fascinating. it s so for a president who has been accused of being under the thumb of russia, for him to lob that specific criticism at germany is, you know, it s either brilliant or fascinate organize disturbing, i guess, depending on how you look at it. absolutely. it sounds like the president is engaging in what aboutism instead of responding to criticism that he is too cozy with russian president vladimir putin. he is saying, well, what about germany being dependent on russian gas and fuel? the fact is, anderson, and you know this, most people know this who have followed this, the germans have been buying russian fuel dating back to the early 2000s, predating vladimir putin s aggressive stance on the world stage. and so the president is bringing this up in sort of a misleading way. what we do know is that while the president brought this accusation up in front of the nato secretary general earlier today, saying that germany was somehow being held captive by russia, he did not say this publicly in front of the cameras when he was sitting alongside angela merkel, the german chancellor. he didn t say it alongside the french president emmanuel macron. this topic was brought up with both of those leaders when the president was sitting down with both of those leaders, and he declined to really engage with those leaders on that particular issue. so the president seems to want to throw his weight around on the world stage and engage in some pretty fiery rhetoric, but when he had a chance to do it in front of the two world leaders, he didn t choose to do so. so anderson, i think the question that a lot of european leaders, a lot of u.s. allies are leaving the summit with is how serious the president is about the bluster, but it does make them concerned about the mind-set he is taking in to that meeting with the russian president vladimir putin because there are so many very big and important issues on the line when he meets with vladimir putin coming up in finland on monday. anderson? yeah, it s fascinating to see a world leader be tough everywhere except when they re face-to-face with the actual person that they are being critical of. it s an interesting strategy. jim acosta, i appreciate it. thanks very much. obviously the president goes to will be in london tomorrow. joining us now is author and retired army lieutenant colonel ralph peters. lieutenant colonel peters, first, the president s claims about payments to nato. what do you think it is? a willful gross misunderstanding. i think in the beginning it was a misunderstanding that he jumped on, but now it s a technique to throw red meat to his base. trump thrives on disruption. and the irony, anderson, is although we pay over 3% of our gdp, about 3.2, to 3.2% to defense, if you broke it out given our commitments around the world, far less than 2% goes to nato, is in support of nato. we re in the pacific. we re in the war against terror. we re in space. so on so many levels, the claim is false. but beyond the sound and fury, what matters is that nato is a embar bargain for the united states. it s cheaper than war. and it is the most successful peacetime alliance in history. it has made allies of european states that fought each other for centuries right up to 1945. it s helped us. it gives us bases. and so trump s attacks on nato, i think partly he doesn t want to backtrack and admit he was wrong, but also, with trump virtually every trail for me leads to the kremlin. and you re saying this leads to the kremlin in what way? in the sense that trump is, for whatever reason, and i have my own suspicions, certainly, trump is both enamored and fearful of vladimir putin. if you look at his pattern, he is afraid to say anything critical of vladimir putin. it s another issue, but to me i just think the russians have the goods on this guy, and that s the only explanation i can come up with. but in the meantime, we are faced with real damage, real immediate and perhaps some irreparable damage to this greatest of alliances, nato. and it was fascinating to me today to watch angela merkel and macron dealing with trump. it was like watching psychiatrists patiently deal with a disturbed child. trump my god, he is not only shaming our nation, he is doing real damage to our security, to our interests and to our allies. and vladimir putin could not be happier. you know, one of the things that s often said about president trump is that he attacks people on the very things that he s been attacked on or been criticized for, talking about russia talking about germany being captive to russia. the irony of that is kind of extraordinary. well, i m glad you raised, that because one thing trump is indisputably brilliant at is propaganda. he knows how to control the media. we re talking about him right now. we talk about him virtually every day on the air. and his genius is using traditional propagandistic deck techniques where when you re backed into a corner over an issue, you lash out and accuse your enemy or foe of the same issues the way when he is backed into the corner in russia he accuses hillary clinton of making an uranium deal which was really peripheral. now he is backed into the corner over this upcoming summit with putin. and what does he do? he lashes out at germany. oh, the germans, they re worse than us. they re controlled by russia. first of all, he has a strategic concern that angela merkel inherited from gerhard schrader, the previous chancellor who was in fact germany s donald trump and she is doing the best to deal with it. angela merkel has been the greatest chancellor germany has had since conrad in the early post years. she is the last man standing in europe. she has held the alliance together against putin. she has held the sanctions together. trump dislikes her because she is a plain middle aged woman who talks back to her. and putin hates her because she is plain middle aged woman who talks back to him and imposes sanctions on him. and she is an admiral leader. i wish we had a leader like that ourselves. for all the mistakes she made, she has been a brilliant chancellor, and we have a fool for president. colonel peterson, appreciate your time. as we mentioned at the top of the program, candidate trump said he was going to do what he said today, calling nato obsolete. coming up including christiane amanpour is going to join us. also, another adviser to the president is making biblical comparisons when talking about the administration s policy of separating kids from parents at the border. those comparisons are not going oth over so well. details on that ahead. before nexium 24hr mark could only imagine. a peaceful night sleep without frequent heartburn waking him up. now that dream is a reality. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? 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trump was asked how the summit was going. very good is his response, very good, beautiful. really well. i m not sure whether his dining companions agree with that. breakfast after all was pretty rough. as we mentioned at the top of the broadcast, the president has been saying much of this for months and frankly, for years. beyond tla there is his saying that nato is obsolete. the president is setting the tone, attacking allies openly while making friends with vladimir putin. christiane amanpour, also with us michael desh. christiane, the president did promise during the campaign to take on nato. he is now doing exactly that. i wonder what you make of what you ve seen in brussels so far. well, anderson, i ve been up since the crack of dawn, digesting all the happenings that have been going on there since the early morning breakfast until right now. and a lot of dust and debris has settled, but the bottom line is that yes, president trump said this transactional sort of characterization of nato, the fact that it was obsolete during the campaign. but, you know, a lot of people around the world hope that what s said on the campaign trail translates into more pragmatism in governance, particularly about something like nato, which the united states created, underpinned with harry truman, that famous picture of him holding up the declaration back in 1949. and in the absence of any other plan, as you just heard from colonel peters, this is an incredible insurance policy, not just for the united states security, but for the rest of the world that the u.s. underpins and its allies. so look, i talked to the u.s. ambassador to nato, i spoke to the german defense minister, i spoke to the former u.s. ambassador to nato who served two presidents and bipartisan presidents. they all believe, and as you see in the senate to the united states, all believe that nato is in the united states vital interests, and this constant rhetoric while, yes, it may be what president trump said during the campaign, is having a sort of cumulative grinding effect to the point that the leaders today said they re very concerned. they called mr. trump consistent in his attempt to sort of denigrate and degrade this alliance. and they re very concerned about that and what it means going into the next summit with vladimir putin. professor, i know you agree with the substance of what president trump is trying to do. i wonder what you think of his approach in brussels today. well, i mean, his approach has been ham-handed, as it has been with a lot of the diplomatic issues that he s taken on. but i think there are two important things that we need to sort of clarify. the fact that nato was a very successful alliance from 1949 to 1989 is both indisputable, but maybe also somewhat irrelevant because the world has changed a lot with the end of the cold war, and there is a lot of discussion about nato that sort of lights over the fact that there was some pretty big changes with the end of the cold war, but the only changes with nato is that it s actually gotten bigger. secondly, i think the burden sharing issue is an important one. again, it s not a new issue. we ve been complaining about the burden sharing problems since the 1960s. but the big issue is that despite continually going back to the europeans on this issue, it remains a problem. and, you know, it seems to me if i were the president, i wouldn t focus on the equity issue. i would simply say if you guys can t meet the targets that we ve agreed all along, your defense spending should hit, maybe you really don t believe that the security situation you face is as perilous as you say. so i think there is the old saying about the broken clock being right twice a day. and i think on the defense spending issue, the president is right, although perhaps for the wrong reasons. christiane, what than point, that if wealthy european countries really were so concerned about a threat from russia that they would up their defense spending? well, on that very issue, that is why they are upping their defense spending. since 2014. and professor desch is correct that successive u.s. presidents have called for more equitable sharing of the burden. obviously the budgets are set according to the size of each nation s economy. the united states is the biggest economy in the world, hence it underpins most of the budget, like it does most of the u.n. budget and other such things. but leave that as it may be, since 2014, when russia under vladimir putin changed the rules of the game by invading another country, that is when the united states and its nato allies got together and said actually, now, let s get serious. let s all up our budgets. those who are not at the 2%, up the budget and get serious, which is what they have been doing. 100% of nato countries since 2014 have been moving their budgets towards the 2% target. it s not all perfect yet, but they have an agreed goal to do that by 2024, not tomorrow morning as president trump suggested today, and not by 4% as he suddenly threw out today, much to everybody s surprise and chagrin. so, you know, there is a lot of goalpost shifting. but anderson, very crucially to the point, nato is not obsolete. nato is fighting terrorism. nato is doing that in afghanistan right now where germans are the biggest contributors after the united states, and it is actually incredibly relevant, and it is only ever come to the defense once of a member country, and that was of the united states after 9/11. what more can we say? professor desch, what than? the goal shifting, you know, i m sure christiane did not mean to imply that history began in 2014, but a lot of the discussion no, but i say it, professor. no. but it s interesting that that s where you began the discussion of the current contretemps with putin and nato. it s not, professor. you re wrong. it s not where i started. i said for decades the u.s. presidents have said there needs to be a fairer burden sharing. but i said that in 2014, after the ends of the cold war when europe felt that the world was getting safer, that maybe they didn t need to spend so much on european defense. and by the way, the united states has never wanted the eu to have its own separate military. let s call a spade a spade. the world was changing after 1989. the collapse of the soviet union. it changed back again, thanks to the president of russia, who the president of the united states seems to think is his ally. and that s the point. no, no, no. professor, finish your thought. yeah, if i might, you know, the cold war ended 19 198-1990. for ten years, the russian democrats did everything they could to convey the message to the west that if we were interested in the future of democracy in russia, the last thing we should do is expand nato. first wave of nato expansion comes in 1999. guess when vladimir putin first comes on to the political scene in moscow. let s talk about 2008 and the bucharest summit in which nato membership is raised for georgia and the ukraine. the georgian war comes soon after that. and in 2014, the big issue on the agenda with the ukraine was whether it was going to move closer to europe and the eu. professor desch, right now, do you believe nato plays an important role in the protection of western europe? certainly latvia, estonia, front line states certainly believe it does. do you believe it does? well, i understand why they believe it does. i m not sure that all europeans i m asking do you believe it does. do i believe that it does? i believe that the europeans are fully capable of defending themselves with or without the united states. and i think that in some respects, nato has been an irritant and made the situation with russia worse. it takes two to tangle in, you know, international relations and my point is not to defend the president or president putin, but simply say that history didn t start with in 2014 with the russian invasion of crimea. i got it. professor desch, i appreciate it. christiane amanpour, as well. we want to turn to another aspect of diplomacy that can t be overlooked, certainly is not this time. it s a contact sport conducted face-to-face, eye to eye. chemistry matters. facial expressions matter. the president himself says so and spoke at length about it after his encounter with kim jong-un. with that in mind, the question is how did it play out today? cnn s tom foreman shows us. germany is totally controlled by russia. reporter: the president s scathing critique of germany made diplomats cringe, but no more so than his own team. watch u.s. ambassador kabass ka hutchinson look away squirming. you can see john kelly look away from the president and pucker his mouth. the president renewed the attack using the word captive. captive to russia, some turned their heads, some fidgeted. and like that scene in the devil wears prada . there is the pursing of the lips. which means? catastrophe. reporter: catastrophe may be too much. after all, president trump has famously given his european counterparts an eyeful of body language before. and when the press secretary was asked about the chief of staff s reaction, she told the washington post he was displeased because he was expecting a full breakfast and there was only breakfast and cheese. still, body language can be louder than words at these international gatherings. when trump shoved the prime minister of montenegro aside at a photo op, critics and comics erupted. who does that? but his fans we love it. we re america. we re rude? no. no. we weren t rude. we re dom nafnlt. after eight years, he made america great again on the world stage. reporter: clearly tough body language works for some, but not all, especially considering the times the president has grabbed for the first lady s hand, only to have her push his away. so when the president says he is great at reading people, experts and body language say he s not as skilled as he claims to be with that, with assessing someone else s body language. he is more like a bull in a china shop. of course, it s more of an art than a science, figuring out what people mean by the way they hold their bodies. but certainly the body language of team trump raised some eyebrows here in d.c. today, anderson. tom, i just want to go back to something there. what did you say was sarah sander s statement about chief kelly s statement that it was about not getting a full breakfast? i have to think it s a real statement given to the washington post. i have to think she was joking, because that doesn t seem to be the issue. actually, it looks much more like he has had more than he can stomach, not that he s not getting enough breakfast, anderson. all right. tom, thanks very much. the wife of one of president trump s newest aides hosted a radio show in weight-2009. darla shine had some very interesting things to say about sexual harassment in the military. of course, the whole issue of sexual 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tonight, a cnn exclusive, news about comments from bill shine, a former fox news executive and now one of president trump s top aides. back in 2008-2009, shine hosted a radio talk show where she proudly acknowledged she was sexist for one, saying she was against the idea of women in combat, an obviously sensitive topic because bill shine left his job as president of fox news last year in part because of his handling of sexual harassment allegations against roger ailes. why on earth would you fight to go on a submarine ship for months on end? you know, there was just a story with these girls these women who were upset that they were sexually harassed in the military. what do you think is going to happen when you go on a submarine for 12 months with 4,000 horny soldiers? [ laughter ] i mean, i hate to say it, but it s true. they should not even be allowed. the top military should say no way. you re not allowed. but, you know, the feminists have fought for these rights. it s so stupid. i don t know why anybody would want that. kirsten powers is joining us who worked with bill shine when he was a political analyst at fox and shields joins us as well. so kirsten, you hear darla shine s point that women serving with men in the military should expect to be sexually harassed. i wonder what you say about that. obviously i disagree with that. i think she misunderstands sexual harassment to be about a man desiring another woman, and that s not really what it s about. it s about humiliating and dominating the woman and making advances against her that she doesn t want to receive. i do think that what she says is unfortunately what a lot of people think. it s not something that i would consider be wildly outside the mainstream of views that people have. i wish that people would get a little more informed about it and understand that there are women who have been able to serve in the military alongside men, and there have been no problems. and there also have been problems, but those problems are not because the men are not inherently predisposed to do that. it s more about our culture, and we need to change that. mike, the white house didn t respond to cnn s request about whether bill shine endorses his wife s views. should he as a top aide of this administration be asked, or asked about comments that his wife made, especially for something like this in your opinion, given the allegations at fox news, his role in it, and his leaving fox news because of that? you know, i don t think he should. and i think it s thing is a very slippery slope and it s something we have to be very, very careful about. i have a very successful, intelligent wife who has a career of her own. and sometimes people will call me and ask me what she thinks about things, and that s offensive to me and that s offensive to her. my answer always is why don t you call her and ask her herself. it has no relevancy what i think about what she does and what she thinks is any relevancy on my job. she was not hired by the white house. first of all, i don t agree with what she said on that show, obviously. i think that the women in our military are wonderful and we have a great candidate in arizona who is a first female fighter pilot who is amazing, martha mcsally. i actually don t think most of the country agrees with it. i think polling shows that we like the fact that our military has great women serving in it. but outside of that, no, i think it s one thing to disagree what she is saying. i think it s another thing to try and hold her husband accountable for her beliefs. i don t think it s appropriate. i think it s quite offensive for some people to say, well, what your wife thinks is somehow pertains to you. mary matalin and james carville disagree with each other and work against each other, and that s okay. your wife is allowed to have different opinions than you. kerstin, this probably would not be a story at all where it not for what happened to bill shine, what happened at fox news. right. and the fact that he has now been hired for one of the top jobs in the white house. right. look, i actually agree with mike on terms of what darla shine says is what she says. these are her beliefs. i don t think that you should have to answer for what your spouses are saying. i have many disagreements with my fiance. i think most people do have disagreements on different things, and we should be allowed to have our own thoughts and to share them publicly. the question with bill shine is that he was obviously involved in everything that was going on at fox news. he was roger ailes number two. it s inconceivable that he didn t know what was going on. he has been named in various lawsuits. that said, i do think we have to have a conversation about what s the way forward in these situations. he lost his job, you know. he resigned, but he really was pushed out. he lost his job over this. and that was the punishment. and so do we now say you are now never allowed to have another job? i actually wouldn t say that. i would say you can have another job, and this is your second chance, and hopefully you re going to do things differently this time. but i don t know that it means you then can never have another job. when you consider this white house also, this is just not something that donald trump is concerned about. he doesn t believe women when they make accusations. he has made that very clear over and over. he defended roger ailes. so there is nothing surprising about bill shine being there. mike, kerstin makes an important point about people being allowed to have a life after, you know, paying a price for something they are alleged to have done, or in this case, he denied any wrongdoing and was never accused directly of any harassment himself. is it was it a mistake for the president to hire him for this position? well, i don t believe so. and, look, this is the white house communications director job. you and i have talked about this. the communications director of the white house is donald trump, and we ve had a number of different people that have worked on this. but i will say this. one of the approaches the president has is that he goes towards people from new york, people from the business world, people from show business to come in and help communicate him because he doesn t believe political professionals in washington, d.c. necessarily know how to do it. now part of me is offended by that because i m a political professional in washington, d.c., but then i look around and see how things are done here, and i go well, i can completely understand why he reaches that conclusion. and that s what the american people elected. they wanted someone who was going to do things differently and come from his background which wasn t political. bill shine is a completely nonpolitical guy. he is more from the world donald trump is from. maybe he will fit better with this president in terms of how he communicates than some of the staffers that have been in this position before. mike shields, kirsten powers, i appreciate it. thank you very much. thank you. the government official in charge of the care of the immigrant cares boasted about the work his department was doing. just ahead we ll take you to the southern border for an update on the pace of the judicially ordered reunifications. are they actually happening? 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well, at this facility you see behind me just a short while ago, there was a 40-year-old mother who was reunited with her 17-year-old daughter. this mother was released on bond pending her asylum case on monday, and just to kind of give you a sense, anderson, of what kind of a process is involved here, this mother showed up here at this facility at 10:00 this morning, and it took almost eight hours for all of the paperwork, the verification. we re not exactly sure of exactly everything that went into this based on what they told us, but the mother told us she had been fingerprinted. but she was inside this building for eight hours while she awaited for her daughter to finally be released to her. she came out a short while ago and described the ordeal. she had been separated from her daughter almost 40 days, anderson, and described the entire process as an injustice. and she left here tonight very worried about the psychological state of her teenaged daughter. what have you learned about the remaining children? have you been able to get any answers about when they will be reunified with their families? well, this is really the amazing part of what has gone on today. remember, last night we were able to report that the u.s. government was saying that 38 of the 102 children under the age of 5 who were under a court ordered mandate to be reunited with their families by yesterday, 24 hours ago, u.s. government officials told us last night that more reunions would take place throughout the night. but we have heard nothing from u.s. government officials today as to how many more families have been reunited. so that number still stands at 38 as far as we know. both sides, the government and the aclu, which has been suing the government because of this expected back in court later this week for an update. but staggering that really no clear update today from the federal government as to how many more families have been reunited tonight. ed lavandera, i appreciate the update. thank you. the christian broadcasting network says a faith adviser to president trump, paula white is her name, went on a recent tour of one of the facilities where the immigrant children were being housed. afterward she said she liked what she saw and then answered a question about refugees in the bible. since he did witness this firsthand, talk to me about what biblical scriptures come to mind when you saw this. well, everyone i think so many people have taken biblical scriptures out of context on this. they say stuff well, jesus was a refugee. and yes, he did live in egypt, but it was not illegal. if he had broke the law, then he would have been sinful and he would not have been their messiah. i m joined now by father james marden who has a great deal experience when it comes to scripture, as you might imagine. father marden, when you hear pastor paula white say if jesus had broken the law, he wouldn t be the messiah, i wonder what goes through your mind. i wonder what gospel she is reading. jesus sets aside a lot of traditions. he goes against jewish laws. he heals on the sabbath. he touches people who are unclean ritually and pure. and really, jesus whole point over and over again is that god s laws supersede man s laws. here is the bible really to validate kids being taken away from their parents is really appalling, in my mind. well, it s interesting because she is saying people are taking biblical scriptures out of context, and in this case she was about saying that jesus was a refugee. is she essentially taking biblical scriptures out of context? yes. she mentioned the story of the flight into egypt where the holy family goes into egypt. the u.n. definition of a refugee is someone who fears persecution legitimately and flees their homeland. and that s what the holy family did. so he was a refugee. the whole thrust of the old and the new testaments is basically welcoming the stranger. jesus says at one point if you welcome the stranger you welcome me. i don t know how anyone can read the bible and say jesus is not all about not only being on the side of the marginalized but welcoming the stranger. he says it over and over again. i m sort of mystified what gospel she s reading. jeff sessions as well as sarah sanders have talked about biblical scripture talking about the importance of obeying laws. the laws of man. that s right. as you re saying, anderson, those are the laws of man. jesus over and over again sort of points us to higher laws. one of the ironies is a lot of these conservative christians have no trouble saying that there are higher laws when it comes to things like abortion and same-sex marriage, which are both legal, right? but in the case of refugees suddenly the law becomes an idol. it s also very selective when they decide that laws are going to be the most important thing. basically, jesus is saying god s law supersedes man s laws, and that comes across in almost every bible story. i wonder what you make of the health and human services secretary, alex azar, who argued yesterday that this administration is not only protecting these kids but they re actually saving these children s lives. now, in some cases he was talking about unaccompanied minors who d been found crossing the border or people who he was saying were under the influence of traffickers or people who they weren t actually related to, who were using these children. but certainly a lot of these kids who have been separated are actually being separated from their parents. yeah. i mean, i think that s likewise insane to say that separating a child who s already been traumatized from the long trip from his or her parents is somehow protecting them is bizarre. and you re seeing the pictures your correspondent in brownsville and those pictures of the little child at the airport, that anyone would say that isn t now that is in some way in the best interests of the child is i don t understand that at all. sow i thi so i think it s again this rationalization for political purposes which i think is really reprehensible. father martin, appreciate your time as always. pleasure. i want to check in with chris to see what he s working on for cuomo primetime starting in just a couple minutes. chris, what have you got? anderson, you and i talk about this all the time, how it always seems that people who believe in a faith or religion, they find what they want to find in it. and we see that playing out right now where people are selectively talking about christianity in terms of what it would dictate should happen on the border. you don t have to believe in any higher power to know that we needed to do better than what was done down there, and we re going to look at how what s happening on the border and continuing to happen is reflective of a trend of harshness across this country. and we re going to debate who or what is to blame. we re also going to look at what happened with the nato summit and who s to blame for that is very simple. it s our president, donald trump. and why he is doing this to nato right before the meeting with putin, the man who needs to fear nato the most. so we ll take that on. all right. important topics, chris. thanks. that s just in a couple minutes from now. as we know, everyone s been rescued from that underground cave in northern thailand. coming up a new look at some truly amazing video. this is new video we ve got in of a precedent-setting operation. well, it s earnings season once again. yeah. lot of tech companies are reporting today. and, how s it looking? 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there was no surveillance done for political purposes against our campaign. sarah sanders also said, quote, it was also agreed that white house chief of staff kelly will immediately set up a meeting with the fbi, doj and dni together with congressional leaders to review highly classified and other information they have requested. the claim of a spy within the trump campaign comes with as of yet little or nothing to back it up and plenty to raise suspic n suspicions about its validity, including someone the president went out of his way to praise today. and a very courageous man, he s courageous, congressman devin nunes. thank you very much, devin, for being here, appreciate it. he is the chairman of the house intelligence committee. for weeks he s been seeking information on a top secret intelligence source who reportedly contacted two trump campaign advisers and one official, including carter page, who was already under suspicion for contacts with russia and george papadopoulos, whose drunken boasting about getting dirt on the clinton campaign triggered the investigation in the first place. senior fbi and intelligence officials warned that providing the information could jeopardize the source and at that point the president agreed. then right-wing media got ahold of the story. on may 10th an op-ed ran in the wall street journal. did the bureau engage in out right spying against the trump 2016 campaign. rush limbaugh talked about a spy in the campaign citing devin nunes and two days later andrew mccarthy wrote from pain staking research, nunes and committee staff believe they have identified such a spy. last week the new york times did some careful reporting not labeling this as a spy which breitbart news said leakers confirm fbi ran spy operation against trump campaign. of the press corps out of there. today was another day the white house has not given a briefing. have they given an explanation as to why? no, no explanation why. they were taking our questions and our calls throughout the day as they often do, but there was no reason i don t think why they shouldn t have had a briefing today. the president did speak over at the cia. sometimes they say when the president is speaking they want that message to carry the day. but we are seeing, and this may become a trending, but we re seeing fewer and fewer briefings. there were only two last week. on friday, sarah sanders, the white house press secretary, did not hold a briefing but somehow she had enough time to go on sean hannity for a pretaped interview in the evening. she had time to do that but not to give us a briefing and there wasn t one day. thanks very much. on capitol hill chuck grassley has joined the call for information on the russia probe. in a letter to deputy attorney general rod rosenstein he requested former associate deputy attorney general bruce orr s communications with christopher steele. richard blumenthal also serves stuff happened. and so the precedent is very dangerous that an investigation will be launched simply because a president wants to stop an investigation. there are some do you see this as rod rosenstein capitulating for the president or buying time for the investigation? if there s no there, there what s wrong with having the inspector general look into it and, you know, settle it once and for all? that s a really important point, anderson. there is no there, there so all of this is likely to be seen eventually as a sideshow. the mueller investigation is proceeding, grinding along, bringing indictments and seeking and obtaining convictions. but the point here is that the principal of the objectivity and independence of the department of justice has been it s a face-saving bone to the president but has larger implications. the second thing that came out of this meeting is that chief of staff kelly will meet with the fbi, the justice department and dni with congressional leaders to review intelligence, highly classified and other information. does that concern you? is that appropriate? i m very concerned that information relating to a covert agent and informant may be made public and some of it unfortunately already has. there are criminal penalties against that kind of disclosure, ten years in prison is the punishment. but our credibility around the world depending on our ability to keep secrets is very much at risk here. there was a similar meeting last week, just as the inspector general investigation already is ongoing. so the change here is not all that dramatic, but the disclosure of any of this classified information could be extremely damaging. the new york times is reporting that this was not a spy within the trump campaign spying on the trump campaign, that this was a person, an asset to meet with george papadopoulos and carter page and same clo cl was the third person. i can understand from trump supporters why they re suspic n suspicious of the deep state and why should they take the word of what the new york times has reported and others have said. there s no reason for them to take anybody s word. there is simply no evidence that that informant or agent acting covertly, seeking information about russian interference in the campaign, was anything more than that kind of informant. not a spy, not conducting infiltration or surveillance. but ultimately there will be no there, there and i think that the inspector general investigation will vindicate that part of the investigation. the president s attorney, rudy giuliani, has been claiming that the mueller team hopes to wrap things up, their investigation, by september 1st. again, that only comes from rudy authority. he has constitutional authority to ask the department of justice to investigate. it s the circumstances here that are so concerning. number one, no factual predicate. you know, when an fbi agent begins an investigation, they sit down and they do a form that says here s the factual predicate and the potential illegality involved or tell their superior or special agent in charge what is the violation of law here, what s the factual predicate. again, no evidence whatsoever except what s going through the president s mind. that s one dangerous point. but also we ve been through some dark eras where officials asked or directed investigations without any factual basis, si l simply on suspicion or for political motives. do you believe the credibility of the department of justice and the fbi is being permanently harmed? i think it has been harmed. i say that with great sadness. i ve spoken on the floor of the senate to say that there are dedicated hard-working people working in the fbi day in, day out, they make cases, they put their lives in danger, and the president s continual, consistent, relentless attack on this agency has had some effect. but i think we can rebuild that credibility. when i say we, it s on us as public officials to speak out. my republican colleagues as well. the republican party used to be the law and order party. this is about our public safety. when an fbi agent goes to talk to a potential witness and he or she has heard the president of the united states attacking the fbi, it undermines that agent s ability to do his or her job. senator blumenthal, appreciate your time. thank you very much. coming up next, what has the president played. we ll tell you what a conservative ally of his says what the senator said was a face-saving bone thrown to the president. later, an update on some stunning pictures. look at this lava spewing from a volcanic fissure on hawaii. that s ahead on 360. ways to lthe northern belly fat. percussion massage. not cool. freezing away fat cells with coolsculpting? 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they believe that rosenstein was just trying to diffuse this, maybe save his job, and thats president eventually will get frustrated. phil, you worked in the fbi and the cia. is there precedent for this? you now have this investigation from the inspector general being expanded and you have chief of staff kelly going to be going through some classified information with folks from the fbi, the doj, the dni, and also congressional leaders. yes, sure. but i remember talking to vice president cheney back years ago before the iraq war when he was coming over to cia headquarters saying what s the intelligence you have, what s the connection between al qaeda and saddam hussein. so there is precedent for political involvement. i think the interesting story here and gloria alluded to this is timing. this is really fascinating from inside washington. this might look like the deputy attorney general and the fbi director sort of capitulated. what s going to happen in the next two or three months? i would speculate that mueller will come up with some of the final stages of the investigation. if he goes where i think he s going to go, which is indictments that get closer to the white house, this issue falls by the wayside. so you think rosenstein is buying time for mueller. yes, he s punting, buying time. look at the alternative, he says no. what does the president do? more collusion that there s evidence against me, not me against the russians. more evidence that they rolled over on hillary clinton. what was his option, to say no? it might have torpedoed the investigation, anderson. carrie, do you have any doubt that folks on capitol hill, the president s allies, they re not going to ratchet down their attempts to obtain information from the fbi and doj, they re going to have these meetings with kelly. do you have any doubt are they acting as private investigators on behalf of the president? well, you know, it really looks a lot like there is coordination between the white house and some of his allies on capitol hill to get access to information. i m going to disagree with phil a little bit in terms of i think there s a big difference between vice president cheney asking for intelligence information in the context of making national security decisions and the white house today demanding making demands about investigations that need to be expanded based on an investigation that targets individuals or has subjects or individuals who are affiliated with the campaign and who has interviewed many people affiliated with the white house. so this investigation i think is very different than a national security activity. with respect to the justice department s referral to the inspector general, there is no underestimating the extent to which an inspector general potentially can be disruptive to ongoing investigative activities. so while i understand why the deputy attorney general went ahead and handled things in this way by saying, you know what, we re going to have the i.g. expand their look into whether or not there was any inappropriate political influence, i am worried that then that causes i.g. investigators, who are they going to be interviewing and who are they going to be investigating? they re going to be investigating the fbi. and that is disruptive to ongoing operations if there s not a real reason to do it. and carrie is right. i confess, i m wrong on this one. but on the point of the i.g., that s right. people who look at this as sweeping this under the rug have never dealt with the i.g. the i.g. is a sledgehammer. when they came after us when i was at the bureau, if they re investigating you, they will find something wrong. it s like looking at an hour of an anderson cooper program and saying was there ever 30 seconds that didn t go completely right. look at what happened with andrew mccabe. these are serious investigations that take a while. and so, you know, there s the question, the president wants an answer tomorrow. and that isn t going to happen. does this whole thing of what s happened with this confidential informant, the president is alleging he s a spy targeted at the campaign, does it hurt other confidential informants who cooperate with the fbi or with the cia who feel like, wait a minute, am i going to get blown? yeah, of course. if you walk into somebody remember, political corruption is part of the fundamentals of what the fbi does. forget about the president. it s a city council in a city across america where one of the city council members is saying i m going to give you a contract because you re a friend of the family. what do you do tomorrow if you re the fbi agent running that investigation. do you say i guarantee you, we can protect your identity. one other issue and nobody has asked this question. i want to know the answer. is the fbi or somebody else at the request of this individual who s been now identified in other venues, is the fbi because of what the president has done providing that person security? because that guy, i guarantee you, is at risk today. the president put that individual at risk because of the at risk from whom, though? anderson, how much hate mail do you get? i m a low budget third rate cnn commentator and i get hate mail of people saying i want to hurt you. here s my cell phone number, i m going to beat the crap out of you. what do you think this guy is going to get and who s responsible because of what the president has done to protect him. who now is providing protection and i bet it s the u.s. government. this is such a different scenario because in the past people in the fbi or justice department or intelligence community, they re used to the media, for example, trying to dig at information and trying to find out sources and dig behind investigations. what s different this time is that the impetus to out this individual is coming from the white house and congressional overseers. not just the white house, the president of the united states. the president of the united states. so to the extent the dni, for example, who was supposedly in this meeting today, whose statutory role is to protect sources and methods, to protect classified information, i would think that the dni would have something to say about this exposure of this confidential source. and if you want to be conspiratorial about it, you could say this is a way for the president to push and push and push rosenstein and push wray until one of them decides they can t deal with it anymore and just quits. gloria borger, phil mudd, carrie cordero, thank you very much. just ahead, jeffrey toobin and alan dershowitz join us next. so we re committed to helping veterans through job training when their service ends. and to hiring 10,000 veterans and military spouses to be part of our workforce in the next 5 years. because no matter where you serve. or when you serve. t-mobile stands ready to serve you. so we provide half-off on all family lines for military. where we re changing withs? 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i don t think it s illegal, but i do think it s a violation of the norms that have been in effect for decades in terms of how the president deals with the fbi. we have a system in place where the president, though he is the head of the executive branch, allows the investigative functions of the fbi to function independently. this is especially true when the president is the subject of the investigation. it s entirely inappropriate for what the president is doing, but i think it s legal. professor dershowitz, there may not be anything illegal or unconstitutional about the president ordering this investigation. it does go against decades of how presidents have conducted themselves, would you agree? well, decades may be overstating it. it s certainly gone against some years. obviously early in our history, jefferson, lincoln, franklin delano roosevelt, john kennedy, all instructed the justice department who to investigate, who not to investigate. but let s start with the end. i think an investigation is warranted, whether the president was right in asking for it or not is a different question. whenever any undercover person gets close to a political campaign, it s worth of an investigation. you need no probable cause to put an informant in a campaign. there s no judicial oversight. there is the risk, the possibility that it may be done for an improper purpose or the agent may become an agent provocateur. it s worth an investigation. if it turns out there s nothing there, fine, let s be reassured there was nothing there. but i think doing an investigation by the inspector general is a good thing. i do agree with jeffrey that it would be better if it didn t come in a self-serving way from the president. though what the president did was perfectly legal and consistent with the role of a unitary executive who was also head of the justice department but it does fly in the face of very recent tradition. but let s be clear. alan, you re throwing around terms like provocateur. there s absolutely no evidence that this individual was that. the mere fact that the president can call for and receive an investigation to what is a perfectly legitimate investigation just shows why you shouldn t have this in the first place. but jeff, if there s no there, there what s the harm in having an investigation to settle it once and for all. that s like saying, well, if you have nothing to fear, isn t it okay if the fbi searches your home? the act of the fbi investigating has a chilling effect on people who are involved. it is deeply disruptive. it is time consuming. it is scary. it is not something that people should ordinarily expect. and just because it s ultimately the fbi is ultimately vindicated doesn t mean that you should have an investigation in the first place. but you re assuming without any evidence that there was a legitimate basis for putting an undercover agent into the campaign and having him had contact with some of the campaign aides. that may turn out to be the case. but i certainly don t assume that. there was no judicial intrusion, there was no warrant. this is just a decision that was made. i think we re entitled to be assured that they were not inserted he was not inserted for an illegitimate purpose. we know that agents aren t always passive. once they re inserted, i ve had a lot of experience with this in ordinary cases, they begin to do things beyond just collecting information and listening. listening usually involves a two-way conversation. and i d like to know and i think the american public would like to know what the basis was, was it legitimate. if it was, let s put it behind us. if it wasn t, let s know that. but saying he was inserted into the campaign, it makes it sound as if he had an office in trump tower. it sounds like he met with papadopoulos, carter page and i guess sam clovis in some capacity. right. overseas with carter page, according to the reporting by the new york times, the washington post and also with papadopoulos, and basically asked questions that didn t seem to get many really answers. well, we don t know that. all we know is that he was sent to have contact with people in the middle of a campaign. i have to tell you, if this had happened to hillary clinton, the aclu would be jumping up and down the way they did when i was on the board of the aclu when undercover agents were put into the anti-war movement, into civil rights movement. all they were there was to listen, into muslim churches. civil libertarians are generally a little bit suspicious when undercover agents go just to ask questions. and i think we as civil libertarians ought to be suspicious of this. allay our suspicions and then we ll be fine. jeff, it didn t come out of nowhere. george papadopoulos, according to all the reporting, had already voiced and spoken to an australian official which is what got this on the radar in the first place. this was a legitimate investigation. we don t know that. you have no evidence that it wasn t. let s find out. there was ample evidence of collusion between russia and the trump campaign. that s what this whole investigation was about. so the idea that now the investigation has to be investigated, it just shows what happens when the president takes control of an investigation of him. so now what you re saying is there was ready evidence of collusion so it was legitimate to put an informant in the fbi to see if, a, there was enough evidence to warrant further investigation, maybe ask some hard questions to get them to give incriminating answers. that does sound like a pretty fulsome investigation. i think the american public has to be assured that there was a basis. it s not enough for jeffrey toobin to say there was collusion already at that time. i want to know what the facts are that justify that. professor dershowitz, some fbi agents, i saw an op-ed piece, said this may have been actually a way to protect the campaign. i ve heard that before. the they sent fbi agents to go talk to george papadopoulos and carter page, that could be seen as more provocative as having some professor or whoever this person was meet privately with these people. when they sent agents into martin luther king during the kennedy campaign, they said they were doing it to protect martin luther king from the influence of communists. they always say they re doing it to protect the good people from the bad people. that may be true. let s get the facts. i m not willing to accept an assumption that law enforcement is always legitimate, that without judicial oversight that what they do is always correct. i want to apply the shoe on the other foot test. if this had been an intrusion into the hillary clinton campaign, would people be saying the same thing or is this special lack of concern because it s donald trump. i just want to be assured. are you just sucking up to law enforcement? i am not sucking up to law enforcement, but the questions alan has about this case he could raise about absolutely any fbi investigation. and i do. and you do. and if there a presidentially directed investigation of the fbi agents in those cases? the answer is of course not, because what s going on here is that donald trump is trying to destroy this investigation. that s what s going on here, not any sort of legitimate inquiry well, if he is, he s not doing a good job. this won t destroy the investigation, it won t derail the investigation, we ll just get some facts. if you re right, we ll all be satisfied. and if your departmeapartmen nothing to fear, then it s okay for the fbi to search the place. you could say they have nothing to fear having an fbi in the campaign. privacy is important. privacy is a legitimate concern. whether you have something to hide or not. professor dershowitz, jeffrey toobin, thank you very much. more ahead. claims of campaign spying, demands for investigation, so much jarri dpogon you want to h from someone. james clapper is next. also up next, incredible pictures out of hawaii. the volcano is spewing lava forcing evacuations. a whole new danger ahead. he eats a bowl of hammers at every meal he holds your house in the palm of his hand he s your home and auto man big jim, he s got you covered great big jim, there ain t no other -so, this is covered, right? 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i believe it is, at least as far as i can recall. it is a precedent and i think it s a rather dangerous one, although it looks to me like sort of a solomon-like compromise was arrived at here by referring this to the inspector general, which is appropriate. the point i would make, though, the objective here was actually to protect the campaign by determining whether the russians were infiltrating it and attempting to exert influence. we sort of lost sight of that point. so you believe you believe this was an effort to protect the campaign because clearly the trump administration sees this as spying on the trump campaign itself. well, that s certainly the interpretation. but, you know, i am very confident that the objective of the fbi was to learn as much as they could about what the russians were trying to do. frankly, i wish the president were as aggressive about doing something about the russians undermining us as he is about this informant. can you explain how important confidential sources are to the fbi, to the cia, in terms of intelligence gathering, and do you think this is going to hurt that effort, hurt the confidence of informants or assets down the road? in general, it s a very important source for the fbi. the fbi has lots of informants who give them very valuable information. and when they do so, they are assured of confidentiality. their identity is going to be protected. and so this informant is i believe is at risk right now and of course i would guess this will have a chilling effect on other informants who already work with the fbi and certainly make it more difficult for the fbi to recruit other informants. in the new book facts you talk about the vital role of confidential informants. you say it s essential for people working in the intelligence community to stay true to the key tenets, serve truth to power even if the power doesn t listen to the truth. how can they do that if the power doesn t listen to the truth? well, they have to keep the metaphor i ve often used, the intelligence community needs to keep shoveling that intelligence coal down there in the engine room. this places a great burden these days, i believe, on leaders of the intelligence community. notably, for example, now gina haspel, now director of the cia, to provide that top cover for the great men and women throughout the intelligence committee to continue to generate the facts and the truth to the maximum extent they can. and it s very important that the leadership in the intelligence community today provide that top cover so they can continue to do that. director clapper, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. thanks, anderson. all right. coming up, a lot more ahead. a new report from the new york times on a meeting that donald trump jr. held before the 2016 election with a cast of characters that included an emissary who assured him the princes of saudi arabia and the united arab emirates wanted his father to win the election. details on that ahead. s with he s happy. your family s finally eating vegetables thanks to our birds eye voila skillet meals. and they only take 15 minutes to make. augh! 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apply. this applies for men and women or persons. all people. no man is needed. tucker: isn t there a man in the word woman? call me a person, i would be less offended. no need for woman. tucker: the revolution always heats itself, as we often put it. college exams are stressful. we counted on students to deal with that stress. at the university of utah, they have offered something else. they have a cry closet. so at first glance it seems confusing. college is the least stressful place. least stressful? sure, you go to class two hours a week and get drunk the rest of the time? it s very stressful. they are learning, they are the future. these are citizens of tomorrow. and they are learning as much as they can. they are stressed as they can be. they need this bioenergyic way to get out their stress. they need a good cry. a cry closet to prepare to take the exams from everything they learned in the classes. tucker: we don t have time to define bioenergyic. does this suggest something about their health? if you are so stressed at taking a dumb test as a dumb school, aren t you on the edge of a breakdown? don t we all need a good old fashioned cry? it s just about crying. ten minutes of crying. everyone needs a stress ball. many people own stress balls. this is an interpretation of a giant stress ball. tucker: let s say we had a war, i don t know, pick a country, china. challenge us where we had to mobilize a large of americans to defend the homeland. but everyone is crying. would anybody be left to fight the war? can you really defend a country if you are encouraging kids to cry about final exams? this is about psychological help. if everyone take as moment aside to just center themselves, ground themselves, have a cry, maybe for two, three minutes, and then go fight that war, i m sure the war would be won with people in a great state of mind. tucker: could you take a break between battles to cry? the break would have to be done before the battle. but they would be in the right mindset that they would win that battle. that s what this whole closet is about. it s about getting that right state of mind. tucker: would you want to use a closet others have cried in? i don t think i would have a problem with it. sounds cozy. google has done this. they have created ping-pong tables where people can let off steam. tucker: if a cry closet is called for, how about a petting disco, a bunny stroking station. if people are comfortable and work better after being centered and calmer, then why not, bring the bunnies in. tucker: let me ask you a macro point. i thought the idea was to get people to come out of the closet. now you are saying people go back in the closet. go in for ten minutes, get that cry so you can come out confidently and feel good. you might want to go into that cry closet right before a show and have a great show afterwards. tucker: this is like television, you don t want to be too honest. i am honest with you. tucker: if you knew a man, i could date that man, he says i m sorry, i got to cry in a closet while squeezing a stuffed animal. i m going to center myself so i can be a stronger, better person for you, yeah, i would love that person. i think that s great. it s healthy. who doesn t want to be with a healthy person. tucker: part of you would look on and say you weepy little freak, stop crying. what a strong person who understands themselves or he-self or whatever pronoun. tucker: i don t believe you for a second. i think you want to think that, this is wholesome, consistent with my ideology. on a gut level you would say stop wimperring. every place has a cry closet, it can be the bathroom at some means. everyone needs a cry closet. everyone needs a way to relieve stress and tension. tucker: up ahead, we have plenty more highlights from the liberal sherpa. we ll visit her defensively of getting consent from babies before changing their diapers. stay tuned. there s little rest for a single dad, and back pain made it hard to sleep and get up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid, plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i m back. aleve pm for a better am. otherwise, they could grow up to tolerate sexual assault. human babies can t consent to anything. they can t do anything, they are babies. cathy areu thought it was a great idea. so consent for diaper changing from babies. this raises the obvious, practical question, how would a baby give consent? well, the idea isn t exactly the baby isn t going to say yes or no, but give the baby a few moments, talk to the baby, is it okay, i m going to change your nappy, she s australian. tucker: you wouldn t say that to an american baby. it s teaching consent. teaching autonomy. i m not going to touch your body if you don t want me to. like talking to a baby about anything, mommy loves you, daddy loves you. why wouldn t the concept of talking to a people about doing something so serious, changing a diaper, be so ridiculous. tucker: you don t expect a baby to respond in a way that you can understand. again, how do you know what consent looks like? let s just do a little role playing. i m the baby. tucker: and i say i m going to make this change. and how do you express your consent or lack of consent? well, i well, if i start cry, something is wrong. you wouldn t want to make diaper changing that goes along with crying. you want me to be in a healthy state of mind. in the future, when it comes to those things, i would be a well adjusted adult. tucker: maybe the child is crying because his diaper is dirty. yeah, obviously. the parent would have to be the best judge of that. if you make me cry, you ask me and i started crying, you should take the hint. tucker: would it be like an eye gesture. you are a mom. can you read their facial he can presses and know what they are saying? ericsson said, a baby expert, from 0 to 2 are the trust years. you want the baby to trust you. nothing wrong with talking to a baby and those situations, teaching a baby how to trust. this is a moment where you are teaching your baby to trust you. i don t think the baby is supposed to give consent. you are just teaching the baby to trust you. you are asking the baby to express bodily autonomy. tucker: what if the child keeps saying no, like over a period of weeks, and you keep going in there, i would like to change the diaper, child refuses consent, that becomes neglect. teaching, talking about it during that moment. so many parents do not discuss it and the baby, they are not even used to talking about those things. so they are constantly teaching trust. it s trust issues. tucker: you don t discuss anything with a baby. you discuss everything with a baby. i m going to put this lotion on your arm. i m going to dress you. parents talk all day long. tucker: how about a polio vaccine, smallpox? you have to give consent. you can t give organs if you can t give consent. dead people with make decisions. tucker: how do they do that? you don t have to give consent after you have died. people should always give consent if their body is going to be touched. tucker: right. so if the child says no the baby indicates by crying or rolling his eyes, i don t want a polio vaccine, you don t give him a polio vaccine? it s the idea of discussing it with the baby. the consent isn t the issue, it s the idea. tucker: so even if the baby says no, no doesn t really mean no is what you are saying. the baby can t talk during the diaper years. tucker: a baby s no doesn t mean no. where does the obedience part come in? is there any part where the child learns to obey what you say or is it a give or take, a colloquy with a mute person? it s a conversation, talking to the baby. it s not disciplining. tucker: is there a point where the baby says, mom, please stop talking. or dad. tucker: go ahead and change the diaper. i don t think most dads would go for this hey, parent, stop talking. i don t think they can respond. i am touching your body. you should have the right to say yes or no. i m going to teach that concept right now during the trust years. tucker: i like the concept that kids do what they are told. do what we tell you to do. why stop at diapers? 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did zee enjoy zerself at the party. tucker: sound like henry kissinger. many universities have put out these pronoun guides. tucker: i m tracking with this now. let s try the sentence. she cooks dishes using ingredients she has grown in her yard. it would be zhe cooks dishes using ingredients zee has grown in zer yard. tucker: great job. we are going to move on now to co and cost. translate this sentence. he asked himself whether his gender pronounces were confusing. co asked co-self whether co gender pronounces were confusing. tucker: how would i say his car broke down so he had to walk here by himself. zee had to walk here by zer self. tucker: and this is different how? accepted by the lgbt university. from california to georgia have accepted these and added them to their pronounce usage grammar books. tucker: i know members of that community never heard of this. we ll try one last one. my producer promised me this is real. it s yo. they promise this is real. this is real. tucker: yo is for he and she. ya is him or her. yoself is for himself or herself. she better leave now if she wants to make her flight in time? yo better leave now if yo want to make your flight on time. yo s flight on time. pers you can choose which ever you are comfortable with. there are many pronouns. tucker: the purpose of language is communicate mutually agreed upon definitions. if i replace language that s dumber, less precise and embarrassing, how does it forward the purpose of language itself? smarter, not offensive and forward-thinking, i think, is the way we would be correctioning our language. tucker: you are right. identify forgotten the underlying assumption that all change is good. all change is good, language does change. in 50 years, this is just going to be automatic, we are not going to think twice. the transgender community has embraced this. it s not a question of grammar. tucker: there is no community. can i just say, because i can t resist, if i wake up and find out i have been drafted into some community, i m going to resist because the only community i m a part of is my family. does anybody say i m not part of your community? that s the beauty of this. you can be part of a community, you don t have to be part of a community, you can be who you want to do. you can say you don t want a pronoun. tucker: everything is monday torre. all change is good, everything is mandatory. those are the two rules we now live by. pronouns aren t the only thing, during prom season a high school student in utah dared to wear a chinese-style dress despite not being chinese. that s a war crime, as you know. cathy areu came on the set to set her straight. tucker: does this mean chinese people are wearing neckties, which is a western invention, are they committing that? she s exploiting it. she is taking advantage of a culture she doesn t know much about. i don t think a chinese businessman doesn t understand western culture. she had no idea what the dress meant and didn t appreciate it. her comment was it s just an f -ing dress. tucker: so assimilations, is the process of cultural appropriation. i come in and take parts of your culture and make them my own, i adopt your culture. now the idea is everyone stays in their own culture and hates the other culture. she didn t do this to assimilate. she wanted to get as much fame as she could and step right now. tucker: let me ask you this. when someone from dubai flies on an airplane which was invented by the wright brothers, why isn t that gets on the plane and has a glass of champagne and doesn t think of the contribution of these ohio brotherrer ins to flight? that s not cultural appropriation? they are not hurting anyone and they are not offending anyone by doing so. when she put on that dress, she hurt and offended others. tucker: she really hurt them. we have learned that wearing certain dresses is an act of bigotry. yoga is racist, too. cathy areu is there to explain how. our special continues with that, next. yogi is confident. yoooogiiiiiii!! but when it comes to mortgages, he s less confident. here, yogi. fortunately, there s rocket mortgage by quicken loans. apply simply. understand fully. mortgage confidently. get approved in as few as 8 minutes. with proskin technology intimates overnight for two times faster absorption so you can have worry free nights, and wake up feeling fresh and free for a free sample visit tena.us copd makes it hard to breathe. so to breathe better, i go with anoro. go your own way copd tries to say, go this way. i say, i ll go my own way, with anoro. go your own way once-daily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators that work together to significantly improve lung function all day and all night. anoro is not for asthma. it contains a type of medicine that increases risk of death in people with asthma. the risk is unknown in copd. anoro won t replace rescue inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than once a day. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition, high blood pressure, glaucoma, prostate, bladder, or urinary problems. these may worsen with anoro. call your doctor if you have worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain while taking anoro. ask your doctor about anoro. go your own way get your first prescription free at anoro.com. bed in america today. find your exclusive retailer at tempurpedic.com. tucker: welcome back to our special liberal sherpa edition of tucker carlson tonight. the liberal sherpa has always been grateful to come on our program and explain that everything is racist even if nobody knew until ten minutes ago. yoga is big o big on is bigoted. yoga is racist. how is that? according to this article, many white people who do yoga, many white people do yoga, few understand the culture, history and religion behind yoga. they are enjoying it for the physical aspects of it. they are not truly understanding yoga and what it goes back to. they need to if they want to appreciate it. if not, they are getting into this viewpoint of white supremacy. tucker: if yoga is racist, is hot yoga more racist or less? all western yoga is racist, according to this author, according to this professor. yoga practiced in india has nothing to do with the yoga practiced in the western world. tucker: what about pilates? it wasn t discussed. it s being practiced by white people, white upper class. not maineer minorities. this is a white sport. tucker: that s suspect. call the police. what about taekwondo? she has a problem with the yoga in industrial, i think it was yoga industrial complex. that s what she called it. the yoga industrial complex. falls under that. tucker: if it s wrong for people in the west to practice yoga, is it wrong for the rest of the people to use the internet? we understand the internet. it doesn t go back to what yoga did to introduce them to yoga and their culture was intelligent. that was part of the movement, when it came to the united states. so the internet would not. tucker: what about like democracy? that was invented by the greeks in the west, basis of western civilization. no, no, no. yoga was a way for the indians to show colonizers to show they were intelligent. tucker: it predates the british by quite a bit. i was interested, how many people who are into yoga in the united states do you think voted for donald trump? oh, well, the author didn t touch upon that. tucker: what s your guess. someone who is very familiar with non trump voters, would you say maybe 1% of people who practice yoga voted for trump or is that too high? according to the author, many upper and middle class white women practice yoga. so many of those people voted for trump. tucker: are you struck by the fact that that series of descriptors, upper middle class, white, like that s kind of the whole argument on the left. anything that has those words attached, it s bad just because, and anything that doesn t is superior to that? yeah, according to this article, those are the people who practice yoga and do not understand immigrants and minorities and what they are going through, perhaps have more privilege and able to experience yoga and other things that other groups cannot experience. tucker: last question. in a multicultural society, which we live in, i m for the basic principle, cool things with other cultures and you should enjoy them, when did the rules change? we live in a multicultural society, but you are not allowed to enjoy things from other cultures? don t stop doing yoga. but if you do it, understand you are understanding an 8th of it. understand what people went through to introduce this to from you their culture to your culture. so having appreciation, don t just take advantage, buy the yoga gear and take advantage of this. tucker: i suspect downward dog is less difficult if you are hating you yourself. i don t think they hate themselves. tucker: up next, the blast from the past. the time cathy areu said we shouldn t call breastfeeding natural. it could undermine feminism. that s next. you made a promise you agreed to never give up to be a decent neighbor to remember the good people who rise with every challenge to remember their strength when you feel tired to serve with grit and grace you made a promise we did too the all-new ram 1500 whenshe was pregnant,ter failed, in-laws were coming, a little bit of water, it really- it rocked our world. i had no idea the amount of damage that water could do. we called usaa. and they greeted me as they always do. sergeant baker, how are you? 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women are not the only ones who can feed the children. that s what they are trying to say. it s natural for others to feed the children. the whole burden is not on the mother. that s what they are trying to say. tucker: first of all, of course that s true. of course. the decision i don t think women are stupid. i interviewed a pediatrician that when a child starving for two weeks, she was not able to produce breast milk for two weeks. she refused to give the baby that formula for fear. tucker: that s a fair point. that s a shame when people feel like there is no alternativement perhaps there are some. that s not what s really going on here. this is gender politics intruding on the personal decisions that parents make. it s also blurring the lines, it s suggesting, by the way, that men can breast feed, which they can t. i don t think they can, can me? i don t know. tucker: i do now, the answer is they can t. i have four children. what they are saying is that men can feed children. they are putting a study that saying breast milk is not the only way to go. tucker: can you take three steps back? no. tucker: and acknowledge, there is something awful about inserting gender politics into something as beautiful and intimate as the first days of a child s life? maybe parents can say back off. breastfeeding is not beautiful t causes so many headaches. it doesn t come naturally for so many women. so this study is wonderful, women can step back and say, wow, it s okay to hand the bottle and the baby over to dad or my girlfriend or whatever the case may be. tucker: half of that sentence is correct. it s okay to do that. i m wondering, final question for you, because this is giving a little bit of headache. the whole subject is so crazy. if it s not natural to breast feed, how did the species get to where it is now? why didn t we die out several millennia to go? we found other ways like formula to feed the babies. tucker: in the medieval periods, where did you get it? it s been going on for the last ten years. our mothers weren t exactly into breast feeds, you have the fix r feminism, you had the revolution. it s not always been the answer. tucker: i m glad my kids are old enough to weigh into this stuff. a 30-year-old son refused to move out of his parents house. so they had to sue him. the liberal sherpa continues with that story, next. no matter who rides point, there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. call one today. are you in good hands? 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he loves his parents and he is normal. he is not ready to move on. you would think his parents would welcome him there. his mom would want to be a good mom. tucker: you think at age 30 you are not ready to leave your mom s basement where are you ready to drive car or drink alcohol or serve in uniform? we don t know if he does any of those things. he is not ready to leave his mom. it s not a basement. it s a bedroom. tucker: sorry! i didn t mean to impugn his character. right. what is wrong with loving your mother. maybe she would want to live in his bedroom in his house. maybe michael will have a mansion thanks to their support. if they didn t spend money on him and not on lawyers. tucker: if you love something, you get it for free. if i love a rolex watch, do i get it for free? if i really love it. this is a parent does a child. you are always a parent. she is always a mom. he is always a son. they should always love each other. they should not hire lawyers and go against each other in court as the mother did. tucker: but what i loved the watch and i need to know what time it is. okay? i love that watch. why would they call the cops on me if i take it? it s about responsibility. she gave birth to the child. you didn t give birth to the watch. tucker: that s true. this mother gave birth to the child. it s her responsibility. it s good for society for her to take care of this child. her child and make sure her child is ready to face the world. tucker: you can t age out of this arrangement. once you are born, you have a moral and legal right to sponge off your parents forever? i don t think it s sponging off. michael loves his mommy and wants to be with her until he is ready. tucker: are you concerned about the explosion of man-children in our society? is that good for women? women and men, 18 to 35 are living at home with their parents. a 3rd of millennials live at home with their parents. it s make america great again. tucker: it s a sad, brave new world. cathy, great to see you. thank you. that s all for tonight s special liberal sherpa edition of tucker carlson tonight.