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they are able to offensive weapon whereas other things are defensive. well, look, if you are fighting over your own skies to protect your country, you are fighting on defense. and i think the distinction doesn't really make any sense. we will see how this plays out. >> bret: meantime president biden heads to europe, is heading to poland, heading to nato headquarters. the "wall street journal" has this russia is failing to achieve early victory in ukraine is seen as shifting to plan b. senior u.s. officials see signs the kremlin is shifting to a new strategy to secure key territorial objectives while seeking leverage to compel the ukrainian government to accept neutrality between russia and the west. leslie, what do you think the goal is for president biden as he heads to nato and to poland? >> well, i think in addition to further unification, to be clear, not just in what ukraine needs, but what the western world needs to do because, you know, military experts say even though president zelenskyy has in a sense begged for a no-fly

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