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Describes as a hoch is all too real. He greg gutten berg joined or Rachel Maddow last night. If she wants to keep referring to me as a liberal mob, have it it. Im a dad. I remember a day in this country not long ago where two parties maybe disagreed on policy and they would argue things out, but they didnt disagree on facts. They didnt disagree on working for the American People. This party today gave up on that. It is shocking. So if they want to keep her around, if they want to continue to give her this platform, it only hurts the bigger party. What this means, 199 republicans care more abou...

Repeat it. >> that's how you prepare a witness. you never -- if you possibly can in a witness, meet the witness for the first time on the day they testify. you spend hours with them. >> the cory lewandowski, thing they can't soften up that witness. >> maggie, there is a court hearing on charles kupperman who could indicate whether bolton will testify or not. does bolton want to talk? >> what does john bolton want? >> i don't have visibility into john bolton's closest of hearts. i think bolton is a story he's hoping gets cold. it is not clear to me he wants to be the person to tell the story. t...

Clients, or is the jury out? >> well, it depends. usually, the cases like this is the side spending most of the time talking to the press, trying to sort of try their case in the court of public opinion rather than in court is the side that has the weaker hand. they don't have a strong handle on the facts or the law or their positions are weak. instead, they try to take their case to the public. i think rudy giuliani is doing that because he made a strategic decision that this is where the case is likely to end up, the congress, and he needs the public on his side. and the facts and law are we...

In the room. >> who leaked. >> we're now at a point honestly where it's incredibly easy to get realtime leaks from meetings in the white house and they know it. they feel that they want to put some heads on pikes but they need to find out which heads to put on those pikes. finding proof is a difficult thing, because people who are skilled leakers are very good at covering their tracks. >> you've got this incredible bit of reporting that one of the leakers reached out with an additional quote. quote, to cover my tracks, i usual pay attention to other staffer's idioms and use that in my backgrou...

Inept, they're frustrated with him and sometimes that comes out privately, as it did with raj shah, sometimes it spills out into the press with quotes from -- background quotes from rex tillerson and what we know about what his epa straighter scott pruitt said about him. kellyanne conway during the republican primary supported ted cruz and in doing so criticized donald trump pretty aggressively. so it's no surprise the president is -- in the words of someone i talked to after the story came out surrounded by people who he called "rats." >> is that your sense of what's happening in the white ho...