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will still never understand why he chose a socially distanced rollout. but, to be fair, desantis tried something different. but it was a gamble and he ended up only getting a fraction of the live viewers he would have if he had done a more traditional rollout. media took the opportunity to dunk on the governor because of it. >> this would be like 162 game baseball season and your star pitcher getting the ball and accidently throwing it and hitting himself in the face. >> this is not a normal way to begin. you would ordinarily want to be with normal people. not a billionaire. regular ...

>> horrible news. horrible for joe biden in our new cnn poll while the president leads his democratic competitors by a huge margin, two thirds of all of the american people surveyed, 66% of the public say that a biden victory would either be a setback or a disaster for the united states. >> rachel: how can a guy like that beat anybody in 2024? let's bring in karl rove a former white house deputy chief of staff and fox news cl contributor. karl, great to have you on this evening. how do you rate that rollout byron desantis yesterday? >> well, you know, two things. won, first of all, if you were...

We had. she had asked me if i was able to get her a hit man. >> could you tell if there were any other people in the room at the time. >> yes. >> and how could you tell that. >> i could hear the defendant in the background talking. >> autumn then testified she and sabrina discussed the idea of paying the hitman by delivering drugs for him. that's when she said sabrina handed the phone to kevin. >> what did he ask you at that time? >> do you need me to take you to go run drugs? >> okay. what was that in reference to? >> the hit. >> autumn said she ultimately backed out of the plan all together....

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Live? that's your wall street background talking. >> we have to raise the retirement age from 5 more people will play the employment tax. i also believe in this means testing where maybe not everybody should qualify for social security benefits because maybe i have $5 in the bank, but if i'm married to a millionaire i would qualify. >> anybody under the age of 40 should not be considering social security. megyn: even older than that. i remember when bernie madoff committed his huge scandal. you heard about 70-year-old brain surgeons who started taking jobs as taxi drivers because they lost eve...