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Went belly up and then coughed up 1100 jobs and a half billion taxpayer dollars. now talk of more dollars. hundreds of millions more dollars. >> this incident is just proof positive why the government should stay out of this kind of business totally and completely. >> wait a minute, wait a minute. there was a study on -- yes. >> funded by the system russ and. >> yes. >> that's like the funhouse mirror thing. forget about the billions of stimulus, prisoners, dead people, president obama said today that vice-president joe biden has done a wonderful job policing waste, he is taking his recovery a...

>>neil: i don't know if we can play part of that. listen to this tape and we will talk. >> we lost more job because of the recession than created by the programs. gross. that is gross. >> you are the chief economist there. >> absolutely. >> where did you get your degree, at a baking school? where are you cooking up the numbers. >> you are a joker. >>neil: now i probably had it coming, but, david, my point, and this was extreme and he is a good guy but it got heated, but i see more of this. and not just with me, by the way, a pleasant fellow, as you know, david. but i see more of it. period. an...

Has not added jobs and minus census workers, which is the best gig, our not creating jobs, why should we keep digging? what's wrong with saying, let's puts the shovel down. that's not working? >> look we just had the most serious economic crisis since the great depression, a massive -- >> neil: ron, i understand that, why sipe spending. >> why don't you let me finish my thought. >> neil: you never answer a basic question. >> i'm answering you right now. >> neil: why will spending work. >> these programs created jobs but not net creation. we lost more jobs because of the recession than created ...