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Oddly, no one's mentioning bernie sanders. part of that, i think, is that he seems to be banking stuff in some ways. he's out and organizing with walmart workers and mcdonald's workers, with teachers. he's going to these things he's not even talking about a vote for me. he's actually going out and practicing what we've seen a lot with these teacher strikes, which is sort of like a broader organizing that is beyond his own campaign and i think he's banking support that we may see later. >> dave, let's look at the "des moines register" poll. you have bernie sanders, warren, pete buttigieg next t...

Out. and i also want to say the pardon is of much lesser value because there are a whole lot of state crimes and when he -- when you listen to that lawyer for 40 minutes and then said i'm guilty, some of the crimes are state offenses as well. and so if he does chicken out and clam up, he has state liability as well. >> virtually all of the banking ones could be brought in a state court. the lobbying not as much but the banking stuff. >> and it would be right in his home state of new york where there are unfriendlies at every level, including the likely next attorney general. i want to play for...

>> and, matt, the coordination with schneiderman has to be an extreme irritant to the president. it was eric schneiderman who fought the president to a $25 million settlement on the trump university case. that was $25 million that president trump vowed he would never pay but was forced to pay as a result of attorney general schneiderman's pursuit of that case. so schneiderman has been on the trump case before. >> sure. i mean, look, if you are bob mueller, of course you're going to want to make sure you know who is in what lane in new york. when you're looking at banking stuff, new york is the...

Never pay but was forced to pay as a result of attorney general schneiderman's pursuit of that case. so schneiderman has been on the trump case before. >> sure. i mean, look, if you are bob mueller, of course you're going to want to make sure you know who is in what lane in new york. when you're looking at banking stuff, new york is the center of the universe. but the long and the short of it, at least the political reality in the short term is none of these guys, whether it's manafort or flynn can be playing in the short term for pardons. i mean they've got to be playing to win. you know, the...

Jamie dimon or held of wells fargo or head of bank of america. they clearly are far more prepared to answer the questions than the people asking the questions are to ask the questions. supply the questions by staff members. they are not bankers. they have a peripheral knowledge of the financial services industry. so jamie dimon, it's a home run for him. the larger point, joe, though, i would think, is that, you know, these hearings are teed up for publicity, for the members on both sides of the aisles, republican and democrat, and yet out in the country, back to what al hunt and the panel was ...