>> and, matt, the coordination with schneiderman has to be an extreme irritant to the president. it was eric schneiderman who fought the president to a $25 million settlement on the trump university case. that was $25 million that president trump vowed he would never pay but was forced to pay as a result of attorney general schneiderman's pursuit of that case. so schneiderman has been on the trump case before. >> sure. i mean, look, if you are bob mueller, of course you're going to want to make sure you know who is in what lane in new york. when you're looking at banking stuff, new york is the center of the universe. but the long and the short of it, at least the political reality in the short term is none of these guys, whether it's manafort or flynn can be playing in the short term for pardons. i mean they've got to be playing to win. you know, they've got powerful lawyers, and you don't want to hold out your hope for a pardon. that frankly opens up a whole host of problems for the president, not the least of