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stepian's recorded deposition to try to establish key facts about today's theme, the big lie, that donald trump knew he lost election, but continued anyway to rally his supporters around the false claim that he had won. >> we're also moments away from the supreme court releasing new decisions possibly on the key mississippi abortion case. we'll bring you any of the big cases as we learn about them. let's start with today's hearing because this missing stepian throws a wrench into the committee's plans after laying out how this would play out during the first prime time hearing last w...

Reaction to this, do you think that the impact of this among republicans, the 40% who still believe the big lie according to many polls. do you think there is any persuadables in that cohort? >> i do. i think there's been recent polling that shows there's a growing number representing about 25% now the republican base writ large across the country. that can considered themselves accountability conservatives. they're conservatives who want some accountability, to see some accountability for what happened on january 6th. they have not like some others in the party, lost their minds when it comes...

Issues. this problem with his base, i won't even call it the republican base writ large. this problem has been around for a long time. some of the staffers in the white house now talking about how maybe this, you know, this bleephole comment won't be such a bad thing. it may resonate with the base. just like the nfl thing did. >> and that -- that -- >> still stoking the base. >> they are speaking to some feelings that we would like to feel like or pretend like are no longer there. they are still there. people out there with these biases and bigotry and this is who trump is. we try to tell ours...

Trump power and put his name on it he could have saved lives. >> let me just -- >> that may not help build his base. >> i actually don't think that's the case. that's the case with many issues. this problem with his base, i won't even call it the republican base writ large. this problem has been around for a long time. some of the staffers in the white house now talking about how maybe this, you know, this bleephole comment won't be such a bad thing. it may resonate with the base. just like the nfl thing did. >> and that -- that -- >> still stoking the base. >> they are speaking to some feelin...

>> and spent millions of books, and it didn't work. i think that attitude is underestimating the intelligence of the american people a little bit. >> we agree on that. >> thank you. >> that beautiful women, cathleen, your wife, the camera can't get over there fast eno h enough. thank you. it should get over there. i am joined right now by michael steal, former chair of the rnc and howard fineman, editorial director of the huffington post. first michael steele, from the rnc chair, who won tonight? >> i think it was very clear that hillary stood amongst her rivals in a big way. in many respects,...