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But every time we lament that or look at that possibility, we're really looking away from how ugly it already is. >> can't imagine a scenario where if republicans controlled the white house, the senate and the house, that they would let the filibuster stand in the way of accomplishing huge things like the ryan budget. they demand it and cave in a moment and they would be happy to change the rules. i don't see a scenario. unlike carl levin, i would say i don't see a scenario where this filibuster change on nominations will work against the president. i don't see how that happens. if there are 5...

The history in this was, a few weeks ago, we started hearing rumblings this might happen, i assumed, all right, democrats will make their threat and at the last minute there will be some kind of deal, the filibuster will be safe. and it just didn't happen this time. and it was almost as if, know, republicans were saying, yeah, you know, we're sick of this too. >> it was a win-win. as you say they don't make the tough votes anymore there was nobody -- there isn't an institutional center anymore. there are people who talk about it. there are people who fitfully have tried to establish one. but b...

>> you can't have anything but respect for the fact they're willing to talk about, the fact they have a gay daughter. >> that debate, liz cheney, sitting in the crowd, reportedly stuck her tongue out at edwards as he invoked her sister to score political points. nine years late ir, guess who is scoring political points on the same issue today? >> you talked about your position against same sex marriage. your sister mary who is married to a woman, put out this post. she said, for the record, i love my sister, you, but she is dead wrong on the issue of marriage. >> yeah. and, listen, i love mary...

Washington bureau chief for american urban radio net works and our resident former governor back at the table, democrat from montana, brian schweitzer. thank you for being here. april, i'll start with you. you're covering washington, you must notice this disconnect, when you see the coverage out of washington over health care or anything else and you start looking around the rest of the country, what is the difference that makes things work in state houses that doesn't work on capitol hill? >> the will of the people. the governors know what the people want because they're right there in their ...

The frustration that obama had in getting the people through could come up again. the other issue that levin raises there, the hard won protections and benefits for health and welfare, being endangered, what he's talking about there is the idea of republicans getting the white house, president chris christie, january 2017, senate majority lead, i don't know, rand paul, whoever it is going to be, and they decide, you know what, we're going to do away with the filibuster by simple majority vote on all legislation. and now every piece of legislation that republicans have, like the paul ryan budge...