The day s biggest political and news stories, with interviews and reporting from around the nation. special coverage and handle her own mafia cases. and from the washington post, an all-star panel, if i may compliment you all. what was your view of rick gates taking the stand? is this a testimonial turning point in the trial? what did you see with your own eye, the tension in the room. it was absolutely riveting, ari. i do think it was a turning point. up until now the jury heard from witnesses who worked for mr. manafort and sold him goods, but nobody who knew his state of mind, his motives. gates does that. it was incredible to see mr. gates who worked for paul manafort as his protege to see him walk in that courtroom just 10 feet from the defendant and he did this ritual lisk process boss in charge, with the python jacket, had no clue. the other thing mueller s team has done a good job is to support and protect gates beforehand. every witness who has come to the stand already, the book keeper, the vendors said the same thing. manafort was in charge. manafort knew where every dollar and cent went and the process put on gates and pre-supported in his testimony? kathy, your view of the prosecution strategy here? i think they had to put him on. there was some discussion about not putting him on the stand. that was a sign the prosecution team thought they had a pretty strong case without him. they have shown some strengths in the case. when they had the accountant say directly, did you have foreign accounts and the answer was, no. they showed foreign accounts, that s pretty hard evidence to him. sure, he s lied, his self-interest now and a self-interested person is to tell the truth. what he needs is a letter from the prosecutes. nothing will tick off a prosecutor more than learning something about the corroborate tore for the first time in cross-examination and why you spend days and days and say, you have to tell me everything in front of the jury that s bad. we have been fully living in the trial and legality of that. i wonder if you could widen us out to the potential politics of that. we have all heard how trump supporters may never change their mind. for a guy with a thin mandate, 46%, he can t afford a point or two at all. i wonder if you think there are people in this country who look up and clear the drama and politics and see a legal process with a republican like rick gates saying, i got busted, did this stuff, manafort led it and this is the way we did business and this is who trump put in charge of the campaign, does that at some point catch up with him? i think there are three aspects to that. i think it matters. it will be hard to say mr. mueller did not have good reason to be investigating these people. this is not a witch hunt. they didn t confess a stray crime. gates is confessing to a bunch of crimes. they have manafort for a bunch of crimes. and the fact that he s wasting everybody s time will go by the wayside. the second thing i thought was very interesting. liars lie and cheat in big ways and little. one of the things he confessed to was violating the terms of his parole. he was 15 minutes late. supposed to be home at 11:00 p.m. and came home at 11:15. that goes to what your other guests were saying, you have to confess to everything. you want know surprises. the main take away i have is, my gosh, donald trump was surrounded by a bunch of crooks. he was not only in the campaign but in the transition at all. he s the one who says, i only hire the best people. the best people are liars and cheats and embezlers, it is peculiar the people donald trump surrounds himself with. michael cohen, gates. this association of not just one person, a bunch of people committing crimes and being charged and confessing to crimes. these people rub off and looks like a cess pool. trump s desire to work with these people and embrace of them looks really bad. i have to ask you, is cess pool a fancy word than swamp? it is. swamp goes to business as usual. this goes beyond that, the illegal swamp, stuff not par for the course. above and beyond. it sheds a lot of light on remember a few days ago, i know it sounds like years president trump was saying, oh, paul manafort, what a great guy. why are they putting him through this? that s the president of the united states endorsing these guys. it reflects on trump s character and associations he makes and his judgment. i think americans will get an earful in the next few days and weeks and months. ken, coming out of the courtroom when this has been a drama series of events, this is still our lead story because it s so important, i wonder if you could tell us a little bit more from your reporting about the tensions with the judge. it s not all good news for mueller, although they say they are methodically moving through this case, walk us through the case and what you glean from that. reporter: judge ts ellis is a judge who likes to impose his will on the courtroom. our commentator says some are happy to be umpire and others interjekts himself as shortstop. he stops prosecutors about being leading or compound. the judge tried to rush the prosecutor, greg, and said, let s get to the heart of the matter. the prosecutor responded, we are at the heart of the matter and the judge barked, don t interrupt me, and there was a sidebar. the judge has kept out of evidence of some of this about the lavish lifestyle and luxury goods purchased with allegedly ill-gotten gains. that s been a factor here. even if this jury decides they do not believe rick gates and he collapses on cross examination, we have seen evidence of him with the bank accounts in cyprus and he said he didn t have that. there s no dispute if the bank accounts existed. the only thing was that it wasn t a crime, he didn t intend to violate the law. someone from the treasury said, you have to disclose an on for bank account. he did not do that. thank you. rosy is live and wants to talk about protesting the white house. and donald trump s stunning admission about the russia meeting, past lives and future strategies. also, we have a trump organization executive. see her there on the screen at trump s side. she worked for him for 20 years and later the one and only rob reiner talking about truth and consequences for lying in american life and culture. live on the beat on msnbc. making cars lighter, it s a good place to start, advanced oils for those hard-working parts. fuels that go further so drivers pump less. improving efficiency is what we do best. energy lives here. what might seem like a small cough can be a big bad problem for your grandchildren. babies too young to be vaccinated against whooping cough are the most at risk for severe illness. help prevent this! talk to your doctor or pharmacist today about getting vaccinated against whooping cough. talk to your doctor or pharmacist today with the new chase ink business unlimited card i get unlimited 1.5% cash back. it s so simple, i don t even have to think about it. so i think about mouthfeel. i don t think about the ink card. i think about nitrogen ice cream in supermarkets all over the world. i think about the details. fine, i obsess over the details. think about every part of your business except the one part that works without a thought your ink card. introducing chase ink business unlimited with unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase. chase for business. make more of what s yours. with my bladder leakage, the products i ve tried just didn t fit right. they were very saggy. it s getting in the way of our camping trips. but with new sizes, depend fit-flex is made for me. introducing more sizes for better comfort. new depend fit-flex underwear is guaranteed to be your best fit. (burke) abstract accident. seen it. covered it.ce music) we know a thing or two because we ve seen a thing or two. we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum already prove these things, the strategy may be to put more of them out first and claim it s all old news later. whatever the strategy, let s focus on facts and ramifications. trump s team s current defense indicates their old defense was false. trump junior said in a statement he asked jared and paul to stop by for what the president s son called a short introductory meeting. we primarily discussed a program about the issue of russian children. did the issue of adoption near and dear to my heart, i have two russian adopted sons. did that come up? where? that was the primary thing we had spoken about in the meeting. that s not the premise that got them in the room. they started essentially bait and switch to talk about that. trump junior there caught on tape accusing others of bait and switch. it s trump s own team admitting they did the bait and switch defending all of this. trump also put his lawyer out in the cold, jay explaining why he put out that false information. the president was not involved in the drafting of the statement and did not issue the statement. it came from donald trump jr. i had bad information. it s important to point out in a situation like this, over time, facts develop. facts develop and trump infamously crafted the statement with hope hicks. mueller s team interviewed her. she was spotted on air force one again this weekend hours before this new tweet. trump and his son lied in their old defense the meeting was about adoption. that old lie itself could be a crime if anyone told it to federal investigators and attempt to obstruct justice if prosecutors prove they were trying to cover up what happened to authorities. the main reason you have for trumptologically admit any of this now, get ahead of bob mueller if he thinks the truth is coming out any way. i m joined by nance, the author of the plot to destroy democracy. this is coming from trump. what is your theory from an investigative perspective why it s coming out now? two things i believe. i think there may be a factor to it trump is trying to get out ahead of it. that may have been discussed at a meeting and it popped out. trump has a pattern of speaking we all know. lie, deny and arrogantly confess. we ve seen that before when he had his interview with lester holt, he admitted he wanted to fire comey about the russian thing. this really needs a psychologist than national security analyst. i think he was arrogantly confessing in his mind a way to explain away their strategy whatever they were doing there was not illegal. that sounds like a hybrid of guiliani and trump. is it bad if they went into the meeting to get foreign help and then attended the meeting trying to get foreign help but ultimately didn t get the help? i m not the perfect analyst on this. i will quote someone who knows it very well. congressman ted lue, a military judge advocate, say, suppose i have two air force airmen and one say, hey, i ve been talking to colombian drug lords and they will ship me campaign and we have to have a meeting with them. if the other guy say, if what you re saying is true, i love it. right there they committed conspiracy. that is precisely what mueller and everyone else is saying. i think it s starting to sink into the trump team what happened in conspiracy and they need to talk it away in the court of opinion because that will end up possibly of impeachment hearings. the other thing you re familiar with how propaganda and disinformation can be laundered through media and conversation and what we consider a robust civic society like our own. donald trump seems to be trying to not only move the gold post and probe and get a wider group of americans, maybe past his core supporters, look at all of this. this is what s done. take a listen. i think from a practical standpoint most people would have taken that meeting. it s called opposition research or even research into your opponent. in the case of don, he listened. i guess they talked about as i see it, they talked about adoption and some things. nothing happened from the meeting. zero happened from the meeting. how do you draw the line of the communication technique there to this weekend? clearly, there s a legal strategy behind that guiliani is behind. create a cloud of doubt and then create a false reality of what is happening. the false reality is no collusion, no collusion. the secondary false reality is none of this is a crime, therefore the president has done nothing wrong and this is just usual. we all know there is a crime. there are actual u.s. codes violated when you commit conspiracy to defraud the united states or essentially rig an election. they are saying, that s not true. you will hear a mountain of people that follow that up. as he makes the propaganda environment it filters to their people and with fox news, create a new reality he might have to face the congress with. that s the part i think is fascinating to concerning how people go, it s just about adoption, it s okay. well, they lied about adoption, to get help from russia so okay. final word. next week could be crimes or not crimes out of these guys. i suspect that s where they re going to go. malcolm nance following this from the beginning. good to see you in person. straight ahead, rosy o donnell is leading a trump protest at the white house. hi, rosy. see you in 30 seconds. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they re handing us more than mail they re handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget. that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you walk us through what you re doing tonight. why is this important? when i watched the helsinki summit and i, too, watched our president abandon our nation and be totally the betrayer that he is, i was horrified working on a showtime movie and i wasn t able to come and join in the protest the last 23 days and we got a hiatus a surprise and asked to get broadway people together to show up and support the people at the kremlin annex protesting 22 nights in a row since that summit where he staked his claim in russia opposed to the united states. do you think, rosie, i want to ask you point-blank, do you think this is one of those periods in history you have been proven right, people who may not have given you the ben fingerprint of the doubt and thought you and donald trump had some sort of quote-unquote celebrity feud, have come to learn things about him that reflect a problem with his leadership, why he s not fit for office? has that been a turning point since helsinki? we heard from people across the spectrum that helsinki raised questions whether he should be president. he should not be president. i don t think he s a legitimate president, if it weren t for russia he would have won and the reason he s not so panicked about russia, he knows they will try to do what they did in 2016. although the media won t say it yet, they gave him the election. i think the mainstream media is slow coming around to where they actually are. it took you a long time to call him a liar and the man has been lying a long time since in office. helsinki was the last time for a lot of people. forget it, you can t get more blatant than he did right there, swore his allegiance to russia. i m sickened by congress that doesn t call for impeachment when we have horrible evidence of his high crimes and misdemeanor. it s not that i want to be right, i ve never spoken to the man. he was never once on my show when i was making money. i never spoke to him in my life. the way he bombarded me and tried to change what the public opinion was of me with the help of national enquirer and fox news is exactly what he s done since he s been in office, to people lifetime civil servants, fbi and cia, our allies across the world. what he did to me was foreshadowing. i know from the last decade, it doesn t feel so good. an interesting point you raised i would like to explore with you. this is something we ve seen in societies where democracy is in peril, it becomes difficult for the society to deal in facts and policy if powerful people or the leadership turn everything into personal bullying or worse. we ve seen that, as you say, with you. we ve seen that as a political strategy with potentially of truth teller, if you think james comey tells the truth under oath. we ve seen it with the press. i will go back to a low point, tot to be rude, when he was pressed on his treatment of women become more exposed and more problematic, he personally attacked you. let s take a look at that moment from the debates. you ve called women you don t like, fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. your twitter account only rosie o donnell. what was he doing there in your view? the worst part of that is this huge response. the huge response. he s like a bad comic and gets one line out and talks about it for four months. told everyone. they laughed at that, that was the funniest thing. he was allowed to with help from the mainstream media an msnbc, they ganged up, willie geist was very anti-rosie o donnell. so was joe scarborough and every reporter on fox. it went on and on. when he lied, and say the show was canceled. the show was not canceled my friend, i left the show and money on the table to go home and parent. he changed it on the fabric of america because i was not on tv to rebut it. people go, i see what she is, i understand what she is. when he was the only one doing it, nobody would stand up to him. they would let him. as if only rosie o donnell could be only the 700 girls missing from the border, only stormy daniels, only all these mexicans he derides and diminishes every chance he gets. he s a horrible horrible human with no soul. he has a very serious mental distorted. there are so many mental disorder. there are so many psychiatrists and he is not mentally stable enough to run this country and every congressman who hasn t filed should lose their jobs. it is my practice to let people respond as they want with their own tv shows. okay. as to the activism. that s how i am. that s the lawyer in me, rosie. with regard to the activism. that s good. how does it work? that s part of the flip side and we have your record breaking numbers of women running for office and record number of lgbtq candidates. new york times has a story on that out. we have seen this uprising and the culture appears to be part of that. what do you think is important in activism to recruit new candidates and particularly young candidates, how do you view that as part of this? it is part of it because he is a misogynist man. he denigrates the most vulnerable he considers women not equal to men, you can make fun of them and say they re not appealing to you, as if women want to be appealing to him, my god, i m so upset, donald couldn t get it up for me? this man is a joke and mainstream media treated him as a legitimate candidate as if they were two equals, him and hillary clinton. come november we will save democracy or lose it. that is the whole thing. if we save democracy and turn the house he s gone. it will take however long it takes to have the impeachment trial, we will start the healing in america and not being on different sides and understand what this man did was unfair and inhumane and even to the people who trusted him the most, heartbreaking. you see these people at these rallies, most paid to be there, screaming he s right and letting the racist deep dark corners of their soul flourish. it s so against everything american, it really is. i hope we can flip this and save democracy. if we can t, i have to believe fascism will take over in america. that will be the death of democracy, this 200 something year old experiment. you re worried about the state of our nation and constitutional democracy, we hear that day in and day out. you mentioned the rallies. we have seen terrible acts of hate and bigotry and violence at these rallies and plenty of people who are going to them that are conservative and not racist. we did see a lot of people including the united nations, as you know, we re more accustomed seeing in other countries, the head of the government trying to rile up people against the free press, our first amendment. take a look at this. they can make anything bad because they are the fake fake disgusting news. even these people back here, these horrible horrendous people do you have a concern when someone die, maybe he will shut up. when someone dies, maybe he will shut up. do you think this conduct and language from the president raises a risk of violence in this country? without a doubt. he s doing dog whistles everyday and shouting out to people who try to fight off their own internal racism, he s encouraging them. when he goes after lebron james, are you kidding me, the day after he opens a school in ohio. it s crazy to me. someone will get hurt and die. someone did. heather died at one of those rallies. how many people will have to die before we realize what a horrible bully pulpit he has. no president has ever used it the way he has. it s been a disgrace to democracy, our standing in the world, what america is about and return to being as soon as he is out. ari, i d love to ask you, if you could go ahead. is to take on the case of reality winner. no mainstream winner will take her case on, a young girl who warned all of us, a patriot, served in the armed forces, said russia hacked our election. you know where she is? in jail. you know who else? no one. just reality winner, a 20 something-year-old girl. i don t know why it s not national news. that goes to something i want to ask you about. you and some folks you work with are very critical of the media, television media in the trump phenomenon, something we re more accustomed to more on the right week criticisms of liberal media and mainstream media, i noticed you used that term as well. what do you think is important for someone like this that strives for attention and your narrative you argue beat the video game in 2016. what do you want to see different, as a final question? i d like you to stop covering his rallies. number one, there s no reason to cover his rallies. all he does is lie and threaten violence and threaten journalists and other world leaders. i don t think you should cover his rallies at all and denounce fox news. when someone sits across from you and calling it a mistruth, or you didn t understand it, say, you re lying. i hope on the lawn i meet the press corps and say, do what jim acosta did, stand up and walk out. that s the only way we are going to change it. they re lying so much and nobody seems to care anymore. you have to care and bring a whistle to the white house correspondents and blow it every time she says something that s a lie pretty much the entire conference. as we re hearing your remarks, we re looking at live pictures of the protest you re leading in front of the white house. rosie o donnell, appreciate you coming on the beat and ready to hear from you any time. any time. i have my rap quotes ready for you. if you don t know now you know. a little boogie small. why trump is changing his tune and why it is a lie and speak to a former trump executive about whether business as usual would have been in the loop business ahead. e that something s got a hold on me, yeah oh, it must be love oh, something s got a hold on me right now, child oh, it must be love let me tell you now, oh it must be love keep it comin love. if you keep on eating, we ll keep it comin . all you can eat riblets and tenders at applebee s. now that s eatin good in the neighborhood. your hair is so soft! did you use head and shoulders two in one? 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is it even plausible given what we ve learned and come out there was this significant meeting in trump tower and he was out of the loop. we like to go to people who have reason to know. you see barbara who worked for trump inside that very tower, a top executive for 20 years and joins me now. the author of all alone foreign the 68th floor, an evening of powerful guests, if i say so myself and add you to the roster. thanks for being here. my pleasure. based foreign your knowledge how donald trump works and the trump organization functions, do you think this ongoing defense is plausible and probably true or implausible and probably false? based my experience, it is not true. other people not high enough for donald to attend we discussed them beforehand and often told us what to say and ask. what many of us have in common with donald trump is haggling. who wants to pay full price? am i right? talking about that in details. take a look. when people come in to buy something, especially very rich people, they see details. if something s wrong, they see it and it reflects in the price. that s why i m up early in the morning to check every detail of my construction sites. what is that? can you haggle without details and brag in a public speech, as he did, he would have new dirt on clinton if he wasn t into the details? that occurred to me at the time and a few days later we learn learned about the meeting, absolutely. what do you recognize it as. he clearly wants to help his son, widespread reporting he s worried mueller could indict his son. i will tell you and give you my analysis and yours, if you are in trouble for the criminal mindset of obstructing a probe and do things that reveal more of your mindset you re not helping your son, potentially hurt him. you would say that and that would be the normal reaction. that s not how trump thinks. he thinks he can do everything and control every situation. that s what he s doing, exercising control. do you think in trying to seize that control he s losing control? i think ultimately he will be losing control. i don t see it right now. some people are saying yes, other people looking at the situation wondering where we re going to go with mueller and what will happen. we have to stay tuned. we will stay tuned, barbara, someone there in the building, thank you so much for sharing your experience with us. next up, the filmmaker and increasingly political activist, rob reiner. right after the break. experience the versatility of utility, with a range of suvs perfect for any adventure, at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. if you have moderate to thsevere rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. help stop the clock on further irreversible joint damage. talk to your rheumatologist. right here. right now. humira. you might or joints.hing for your heart. but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. and packages. and it s also a story about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they re handing us more than mail they re handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget. that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you he was lying about the trump tower meeting was so brazen and so dramatic, it could be a hollywood movie confession seen, and that s why i m joined by filmmaker and activist rob reiner, who knows his way around a plot. first, let s look at the context. just last year, donald trump said his son s meeting with the russians was only about russian adoption. then this weekend, he comes out and says no, it was to get information on an opponent. foreign information could be a crime. in other words, trump is telling everyone he was lying. this is the kind of moment you rarely see where a main character, if you will, a protagonist, admits they were lying. something we have even seen in rob reiner s own films. it means to bluff. so you re probably playing cards and he cheated. liar. liar. liar. you want answers. i think i m entitled. you want answers. i want the truth. you can t handle the truth. the movie was about 80% accurate and 20% bull, which i guess by hollywood standards is an accomplishment. accomplishment. rob reiner is there, the director of a few good men as well as shock and awe which deals with government lies. thanks for being here. my pleasure. lies. yes. why do people admit them and keep getting away with them in plots, including potentially this american plot? well, they get away with them in plots until somebody uncovers the lie, and that becomes a big focal point of the story. when all of a sudden the story flips because the lie is exposed. we are having an experience with a guy who lies all the time. constantly. constantly lies, and is lying right to our face. and we have not as yet gotten to that point where those lies become the plot twist that flips and nails him. there s something that was told to me, when we were doing the case against proposition 8, which was to establish marriage equality. one of the lawyers says to me, you know, you can say whatever you want on television. but the minute you go into a courtroom and you put your hand on a bible, and swear to tell the truth, you have to tell the truth. that s the reason why this president, who is a pathological liar, is not going to talk to robert mueller. he is incapable of telling the truth, but at a certain point, he s going to hit the wall where the truth and reality are going to come smack him upside the head, and he s going to have big problems. big, big problems. sorts of an oops upside your head moment. it s going to be the biggest political plot twist you ll have ever seen in the history of this country, because you have a guy lying, by the way, admitting to crimes all over the place. everybody in this administration is committing crimes and admitting to it, but at a certain point, they re going to be held accountable. the first step is for us to take back the house and start having the right kind of hearings that will get the truth out. then ultimately, over time, people hopefully will come around to accepting the truth because if we don t, then we don t have democracy anymore. i wonder in your view about a character who knows they re lying versus doesn t care and doesn t keep track of it. we showed a few good men where what is so unrealistic, what rarely happens in a courtroom, no offense, is a bit of what donald trump does on twitter where someone says, you know what. everything i said was bull. i was lying. now i m saying this, which raises the question, why would we believe you now? take a look at donald trump lying based on what we have been able to figure out about his well known and documented practice of pretending to be another person, his spokesperson, which is a lie, and then he lies about it. take a look at this from the today show. john barron, here we go. i think you can really use donald trump now, and i think last year, somebody showed me the article. i think he had 200 and 200. it was not me on the phone, it doesn t sound like me, and it was not me on the phone. okay, so first of all, it was him on the phone. and when i heard this, this was during the campaign. i learned about this, this habit that he has of going on and talking as this guy john barron, or one of these other characters. i thought to myself, this guy is certifiably insane. because think about this for a second. who do you know that gets on the phone and pretends to be somebody else on this kind of level and talks to a journalist to get information out. that s insane. that s insanity. and i thought when i heard that, how can that guy be president? how are we going to allow a person who does a thing like that become president of the united states? and, you know, it happened. but that s as crazy that s kind of beyond pathological. there s some kind of mental illness that allows for something like that to happen. we don t know at a distance. we know he s caught on tape, the tape plays. and he has the ability to just say that wasn t me or in this weekend s version, admit to his supporters, i was lying the whole time, and i want people to stay with me on that. yeah, well, i think, you know, he has a certain cult of followers, for whatever reason, they re going to follow him, but he has no problem lying. it s transactional. does it help him to lie to that guy and say about donald trump on the phone? yes. does it help him to lie to say that wasn t donald trump? yes. whatever is going to help him at that moment, that s what he does. and he doesn t care about the, you know, the ramifications of it. and with 15 seconds to go,
Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. bolder balderson is better on crime and taxes and ordinary issues and the question is whether the trump base will respond to that a oppose to the more personality consult that surrounds trump as an individual. if the numbers froze right now, if the democrats even with an l in this race still have won because it went from double digit down to single digits as least as of today s polling. well, they will definitely spin it as a win. and you could argue that the fact that they are narrowing the gap so dramatically on a race on the seat that has been held by a republican for decades is a big deal. there are lots of other races like that actually more favorable to democrats across the country come november, they only need 23 seats in order to flip the house. so they would probably take this feeling confident, take this game plan to some of these other races. republican base or certain portions of republican voters, he has galvanized democrats or people who want to vote in opposition to him. so people are taking that energy and they are going into local races, going into off cycle races, going into special elections. all of this is happening in response to the 2016 election when trump won. so it is not just happening in the rust belt or the northeast. it is happening all across the board. and donald trump for as much as he s been helpful to some members of the republican party, he has been the number one advertising poster child for people to come out and vote if you are a democrat or progressi progressive. they mentioned donald trump. they say their opponent is related or connected to donald trump. and the energy just flows from there. charlie, is it going to be all about white women and how they vote? and then we ll ask eliza as well. is that what you re watching there in ohio 12? although i made fun of the lebron thing, i m actually quite interested to see how white men respond to this. it is a republican district north of columbus, but pretty close to cleveland and lebron remains pretty popular among men who like basketball at least in ohio. and so i wonder how this last minute twist will play there and we ll find out on tuesday. your thought, eliza. i think he is right. this race white men are is very interesting as well. but white women i think this is sort of the beginning of a pattern that we will be watching certainly across the country. white educated married women who have tended in the past to vote republican but also might not be strong supporters of the president, might have questions about some of his tweets, some of the things that he says. if they go against him here, there could be an arltrgument t that could be the beginning of a pattern. and of course the back and forth of lebron james, favorite son of this state and the president calling don lemon who is interviewing lebron james, he called basically not smart. and that whole thematic here when you look at the state of ohio, that the president would be coming out against one of their favorite sons. politically that is the dumbest thing that somebody could do right before they go to ohio. but donald trump s universe is usually only about ten minutes in front of him. he saw something on television. reacted to it. and then i don t imagine he thought much beyond that. going into ohio, that is probably insulting lebron james is probably the last thing anybody would want to do. and going back to that statement from the president and his tweet, he says at the end of it, he says i like mike. by the way, mj comes out and says i actually do support lebron and what he s doing in the community there and that doesn t help because in addition to that, now the first lady through a statement saying that she does support the efforts that lo ebron vamjames and folke him investing back into the community. did it surprise you, and she might actually go and visited school the project that lebron james is investing in. i think the marriage between donald trump and melania trump is continually interesting when we see these divisions. there was the story a few weeks ago when she was watching cnn instead of fox news on air force one and her spokesman had to put out a statement that she can still watch whatever she wants notwithstanding a tantrum from trump about that. as someone who grew up in indiana as a chicago fan in the michael jordan era, it is noticeable that his statement was tepid. he didn t say he was against trump, just tepidly for lebron. about as weak a statement as he could have made. and what the pictures will look like when you see the first lady should she go to this very community project that lebron invested in. yeah, this is reminiscent of the child separations that we had earlier this summer where she kind of came out as against that, she went to the border of course that all blew up because her shirt that said i don t care do you, all of the headlines ended up being about that. but that was another division where she decided to go see something sort of dividing with her hufs and tmust and the pres. and of course going to a school that lebron just started does mark a clear division between the first lady and the president. all right. thank you all. there is a new proposal to the white house from special counsel robert mueller. team trump meeting this weekend to draft a response. what is on the table and what team trump says is off-limits. s, diabetic nerve pain, these feet. .raised a good sport. .and became a second-generation firefighter. but i couldn t bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor, and he prescribed lyrica. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worse depression, unusual changes in mood or behavior, swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects: dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs, and feet. don t drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don t drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. now i have less diabetic nerve pain. ask your doctor about lyrica. why are you dragging it out? don t you know what you want to do? sure, i don t want to do it. it is past the july 4th. where do we stand? we would not recommend an interview unless they can satisfy us that there is some basis for this investigation. we haven t yet made a final decision. there is a slight opening. we re still i won t give you a lot of hope it will happen, but we re still negotiating. we haven t stopped negotiating with them. let s bring in now editor-in-chief of law fair and also nbc legal analyst and also former assistant for intelligence at the fbi. benjamin, we ll start with but. we played a little bit of the sound of how rudy giuliani has gone back and forth. is there any sort of penalty from going back and forth and from pushing this decision off? yeah, let me translate that rudy giuliani knows quothose for you. they translate loosely into mr. mueller, i dare you to issue that subpoena. and the relevant question right now is whether mueller needs the interview enough to take rudy giuliani up on that dare. and that would produce a significant litigation. it is one that i think and a lot of other legal analysts think the special counsel would probably but not certainly win. and giuliani and his co-counsel are making the bet that mueller will not pull the trigger. and so the question now is will he or won t he. is it i dare you, frank, is that what you re seeing too? this is a classic game of chicken. there are two cars racing toward each other and we need to see who will swerve off the path first. and each side is hoping the other swerves. but look, here is my position on the interview. there is no strategic reason for the president to want to sit down and do this. it is all bad. he s already heard his voice on a tape recording courtesy of michael cohen. he knows there is more tapes out there. he doesn t know what mueller has. if he continues to not be interviewed, he can pretends to be the beleaguered president and claim mueller is being unreasonable about parameters and demands. mueller needs it not legally. i m convinced he does not need it legally, but rather for the court of public opinion. if we re headed toward impeachment proceedings, he needs to show the public he is being gray us some enough to hear the president s side of the story. but that is the only reason he needs it. i think ultimately he would go to a grand jury subpoena and try to get that. but this remains to be seen. so what number do you think it will be, we re seeing 10 days, could it be 20, 30? i don t think that you can predict the time frame. the president s lawyers will drag this out as long as possible because the moment they say no in a formal way, they force the issue. and so the longer they can drag it out, the better. and so the question is at what point does mueller either shrug his shoulders and say i don t need the interview, i won t litigate over it, because especially if i win the litigation, the president can just assert the fifth amendment and not testify anyway, or say as frank suggested i need to go the extra mile to try to show that i ve done everything i can and play that card. and so i don t think that you can play out the time frame. it does feel like it is coming to a head, but it has felt like that before as well. and looking at maybe one of the indicators reporting coming out today from the washington post here, and that is that as the president has been watching the reporting, he is getting more frustrate as of late, he is also worried that his son don jr. might be next in the crosshairs here. yeah, this is quite the scenario where perhaps family members including don jr. now criminally exposed and that is leverage that the mueller team could use against the president. and that plays out publicly as well. because the president may be very concerned not so much about the impact on his family as equally about what this looks like if he is not playing the family man and not protecting his son. so that could come into play here. but i don t think that will be what this interview decision is about. i really don t. i just think it is about whether or not the president says i m not listening to my attorneys, i m going to sit down man-to-man and i can do this, by the way that would be a serious mistake, or whether he listens to his attorneys and he does not sit down with mueller. so how might the heat be turned up on don jr. from the previous interactions he s had with this investigation so far? well, there are questions about testimony he gave to the senate to the congressional investigations. and, you know, you could have a subpoena issued to him. you could have a demand for an interview. so there are lots of ways the investigative temperature could go up. i agree with frank very much that the question of a presidential interview is a different question. and i don t think that is going to i don t think it would be proper actually for the investigation to use leverage against family members as a way of coercing the president. and frank, i want to squeeze this in. this is mariia butina, the gun rights advocate from russia in the reporting coming out that she cozied up with a former trump campaign aide jd gordon who was the campaign s director of national security for about six months. again, the question, compazying to and what cozying means with again an advocate coming out of russia here. the more we learn about mariia butina the more she looks like not the innocent college student. looks like she is directed, looks like she is trying to penetrate circles. got the earmarks of a controlled co-opt of the intel intelligence services. we saw the comment 3:00 in the morning awaiting further orders. she was getting very close and likely the bureau thought she was getting too dloet iclose to inner tir kein inner circles. all right. thanks. republican heavy weight oig are starting to choose sides. it s pretty amazing out there. the world is full of more possibilities than ever before. and american express has your back every step of the way- whether it s the comfort of knowing help is just a call away with global assist. or getting financing to fund your business. no one has your back like american express. so where ever you go. we re right there with you. the powerful backing of american express. don t do business without it. don t live life without it. experience the versatility of utility, with a range of suvs perfect for any adventure, at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. with no aerosols and no heavy perfumes. so you can spray and stay. febreze one. -we re in a small room. what?! -welcome. -[ gasps ] a bigger room?! -how many of you use car insurance? 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which is the dynamic? now that we re weaning our way of on of the primary season, in a primary the president is key. he is absolutely helpful. in the trump district that is going to be supportive of donald trump, by fi5 to 15 points or more, the president is bad. in a swing district, he is toxic , horrible. this is not a swing district and they lost ten points, balderson did. ohio 12. it is supposed to be a trump, 15 point trump seat. it is now a one point seat. and that is a clear reflection of the president s policies and more importantly his tone and his messaging and how he deals with people. but not easy for your side either because you remember the headlines from the a.p. that said republicans united, democrats divided. you might be divided into what might be called technicolor for republicans it might be seen as binary, right? trump or no trump. i don t think we re as divided as most people think. and you are starting to see numbers improve for us in states like wisconsin, michigan and minnesota, that is very important. i think donald trump may have single handedly sunk that congressional campaign by going against lebron james. showing he does still not understand politics. the point is all politics is local. are so what will you learn from a party from what is happening in ohio 12 then? i think the trump effect, the negative trump effect is built in. we still need to talk about big issues, affordability, the fact the tariffs are hurting middle america. we need to talk about that and shay grand experiment and change is not working, but we have a response. plus your turnout numbers. because that has been a big factor is seeing the increase in not typical voters, prime voters. and i ll add it is also atypical candidates running. we have native american, african-american women running for governor in georgia. so if we have the ability to bring in new candidates, it encourages new voters. muslim american in michigan could be a first. so what will you learn from ohio 12? because this is the last special election becaufore the normal election shall we say. again, turnout. right now the republicans, yes, advantage is turnout for us. but we have no way of expanding. whereas the democrats can really appeal to a lot of people who are not typical voters and can increase their math plus when you look at suburban women, college educated folks, that really does change the dynamic. so i think that is part of what we re going to be looking at as a party, is our turnout still there and is it enough. and it appears that what the idea will be because the president did release a statement just within the last hour or two when he gets on the ground there, he will be focusing on tariffs and it appears the economy. shouldn t that be what your party is focusing on? good we should be. and i think you are starting to see the more of that. and going back to the point of the intra-party problems, when you have candidates like a won in the 14th, talking about big things, i don t like the going after her as the socialist. she is talking about big ideas. and there are a lot of particularly young voters that went into the polls when throated for barack obama athro throat voted for barack obama and they noticed him bailing out the auto industry and reenergying health care, so they have seen government do big things and important things. but promibarack obama was prepared. she is not prepared. fine, you don t understand the issue of foreign affairs and the israel/palestinian conflict, fine. but you should know about the unemployment numbers. i ll finish with this. based on all of these dynamics that has been asked many times, two party system good? do we need more parties? you see that in the states multiple parties. i think that you will see it ecan he merge nationally. not anytime soon, but we ll get there. yeah, 2028 probably. thank you for giving me a number. great to have you both. great meal of politics we got to share. manafort on trial. bombshell revelations from his accountant and how it fits in to robert mueller s case against him. i couldn t catch my breath. it was the last song of the night. it felt like my heart was skipping beats. they said i had afib. what s afib? 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i mean it was sort of amazing. i think what you have to look at if you look at the big picture here is that essentially what manafort s team will have to argue, that there is this tremendous conspiracy that he had no clue about to save him a lot of money on his tax returns. and just not really a believable or plausible scenario. and i think that it will be a challenge once this switches over to the defense side to make that case to the jurors. you had all these situations where manafort directly was paying for a lot of his more expensive purchases, the landscaping in the shape of an m at one of his properties in new york, red roses measured out. an ostrich jacket. but those payments were coming from the overseas accounts, so i think that will be tough for the defense to say that he had no clue that any of this was a going on. ben, when you were watching this happen and the whole issue of what laporta was saying came about and then the wife walked out and then we have her coming back on monday, what are we going to see on monday in cross that may be of any import here? so look, i was not in the courtroom watching it from afar, yeah. just wanted to be clear about that. but the defense s job here as you heard, it goesis a difficul task. this was a strange tricase to go trial with for the defense because the facts are pretty bad. so their job is going to be to deflect all of the quite obvious improprieties that take place on to the people who worked for manafort rather than himself even though he was clear lit ly beneficial airplane of of it. but you only need one member of the jury to refuse to convict. and you effectively win even if you don t get an acquittal. and so the game here is to generate doubt in the minds of one person. so juries are funky things, and let s ask our reporter who is in the room, how was the mood there in the room? i mean it is always tough to read juries. but i ve been wrong before certainly. well, there is the judge, also manafort, lots of things to watch for you. definitely. i think the judge was definitely sort of trying to curtail prosecutors who were using sort of more explicit language. he did not want them to refer to oligarchs. he made a comment along the lines that it is not illegal to be rich and over the top spending isn t illegal. so i think the prosecution is sort of shifting away from that sort of language. but to be clear, a lot of the expenses, these really big clothing and landscaping expenses are pretty key to the case because they were paid for using these overseas accounts. and they were entities that his accountants and financial team believed were clients instead of entities actually controlled by manafort himself. and the lawyer testified that she thought it was strange that or rather the accountant testified that it was strange that there were loans coming from people that they thought were clients. ben, what do you make of the judge? so judge ellis is an excentric. and he has been a bit of a wild card in this whole proceeding. at one point, you know, causing quite a flurry in the conservative media by raising the anxiety that there may be a problem with mueller s appointment, only then to turn around and write a lengthy opinion saying just the opposite. he has clearly held the prosecution to its paces and limited its ability to sensationalize this by talking about oligarchs and by making too much of the spending. i think in the broad scheme of things, that is a good thing in the sense that this is at the end of the day a tax fraud trial and the question isn t were you doing business with viktor yanukovich. the question is were you not paying taxes and fraudulently taking action to avoid paying taxes that you owe the government. and so forcing the government to be very disciplined in the way that it presents that i think is by and large a healthy thing. ryan, we were talking about the accountant 1:00 p.m. monday was when she gets cross-examined. what else are you watching in terms of duration? any sense ever that this will go for a week or two or three based on your conversations with those in the room? actually the prosecution has made it clear that they expect to wrap up their entire case by the end of next week. so the big question is whether or not rick gates will testify and i think that it seems clear that he will, but always a chance that won t come about. but i think that that is really going to be the key to this case because that is who the defense really wants to pin all of this on. and even though a lot of these dealings and a lot of the relationships he had with the lawyers only had to do with paul manafort s personal taxes and he had no benefit from them, they will try to say that he was somehow behind all of this and his right hand man was the mastermind of this scheme. two great voices here. ryan and ben, thank you both. the u.s. political system once again under attack. the role russia may be playing this time. what facebook is doing about that and what the trump administration is not codoing. t. with moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, are you okay? 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is it more or less than what we saw in 2016? i think it is less, but we re only seeing the tip of the iceberg right now. and what is really fascinating about this one is you can see the real world tentacles and the way facebook is charging head first into free speech issues. facebook said that they were going to take down these accounts because of this real world rally that was going to come up next week and they were worried about the harm that this clash could cause. however, during the last year of this group resistors being active, they actually planned several rallies that actually took place. so you see that the real world tentacles, hundreds of people showing up and being boosted by russian influence infiltrating progressive and left-wing movements, that is growing. that is a different part of the conversation than we had last go-round. you re saying the reality of the unreal or the digital in this case here. so, will, from what you ve learned also, as you heard from elizabe elizabeth, less than what it was in 2016. what s your view on that and what might be seen as remarkable about these recent efforts? sure. again, it is less than in 2016 from what we ve seen so far. we have no idea what else might be going on. again, this has been paired with actual hacking attempts on at least one u.s. senator. in this case i think what s interesting is indeed how these groups are interacting. in the past we have seen them perhaps russian groups draw out real world american protesters, but in this case they were teaming up with actual genuine american groups and activists who didn t realize they were in the hands essentially of a foreign actor. in the case of the unite the right counterprotest for this white nationalist protest next week in d.c., the activists on the left who were planning to counterprotest this event are real people, i met some of them, and they did not realize their groups had teamed up with essentially with a foreign group. elizabeth, one of the points that has been made is facebook is moving forward to be more open about what they were doing. before they were not even admitting that they had a specialized group, if you will, a task force, right, going after this stuff and now they re being very open about it, putting out videos. sheryl sandberg saying for the social platform, this is an arms race. has there been a change in tone now and openness about what they need to do? yeah, they are really turning this almost into a political mission. i mean, look, they re doing advertisements all over the place now, tv, radio old school medium, right? old school mediums, yeah. they re doing facebook too. they re doing videos too. here we were connecting the world and something went wrong. they re trying to show they re making a good faith effort. you can see in this last announcement how complicated it is. they didn t want to attribute this to russia. the story we reported yesterday said twitter gave almost identical accounts to congress about six weeks ago that they did attribute to the russian ira, to the internet research agency, and these were accounts that were almost identical, so you re looking and saying why facebook won t attribute it to russia for political reasons, but think about the problem that causes for real world people. their events are taken down and don t know if it was tied to russia or not. so it creates more confusion. i think as they go deeper into this issue and they re hiring 20,000 new security and safety specialists by the end of this year, so it s a huge push that s started to influence their revenues. their revenues were down 20% this month because of the spending that they re doing on security. so i think that s only going to that whole mess is just going to get more complicated and tangled as we head into the midterms. and folks are asking, will, as facebook makes these moves, is it really because they ideologically believe this is the right thing to do or are they really trying to stem off future criticism in 18 and 20? how real is this move? because 20,000 is a big number but earnings is not something to sneeze at certainly. certainly, absolutely. it seems as though facebook is getting ahead of this in a way to stave off either future criticism or indeed perhaps congressional regulation, if somehow it turned out that they were used to really manipulate the 2018 or 2020 elections, they would be in a lot of trouble. that s why we re seeing facebook try to be a little proactive. but again, not all that proactive. they re also facing criticism from republicans who accuse them of discriminating against conservatives. so facebook is really in the hot seat for all kinds of reasons right now. and the pictures of the two of you bring up one question i want to ask question quickly. elizabeth, you re on the west coast there in our bay area camera and my friend, will, you re on the east coast in our washington bureau and you know that the fingers have been going this way from both sides saying it s washington, d.c., that doesn t get it and washington, d.c., says the valley doesn t get it. are we at a better place where they re working together now? quickly, elizabeth, to you. yes, the conversations are starting to happen. they were basically absent during the 2016 election. but it raises the question who is responsible for this, private companies or law enforcement. ten seconds to you, will. i think they re working together more but at the same time i think there s a very confusing message coming out of the trump administration in terms of how much they re going to do about this so it remains to be seen. elizabeth, will, great conversation. appreciate it. thank you. thanks for having us. t-shirts at a prominent museum sold for $20 and all about false news. what the hubbub was all about that came to an end today. when i touch you like this it s so hard to believe but it s all coming back me. baby, baby, baby. all you can eat is back, baby. applebee s. i love you, basement guest bathroom. your privacy makes you my number 1 place to go number 2. i love you, but sometimes you stink. febreze air effects doesn t just mask, it cleans away odors. because the things you love the most can stink. and try febreze small spaces to clean away odors for up to 30 days. breathe happy with febreze. the mission of washington, d.c. s newseum it was sharply criticized for selling this t-shirt. it says you are very fake news. responding to the outcry, the newseum today stopped selling that t-shirt saying we made a mistake and we apologize. a free press is an essential part of our democracy and journalists are not the enemy of the people. an honest decision to continue selling president trump s make america great again merchandise, they said as an organization that celebrates the rights of people from all political spectrums to express themselves freely, we ve historically made all types of political merchandise available for our guests to purchase. that has included former and current presidential slogans and imagery and merchandise from all political parties.
Interviews with political figures and news updates. looking at. if you are looking at, as robert mueller had been known to do, how tweets fit into a larger pattern of obstruction of justice, the contrasting this weekend s tweet and the statement that the president put out, helped put out in july of last year, obviously, will go to, you know, that argument. does that constitute an illegal act or as jay sekulow says, is it not relevant to the law? and elli, what is elvent to the law? it s hard to tell what mueller is looking at. but we hear from a lot of reporting that you re looking at that june meeting. june 2016 meeting. yeah, andrea, and they should be. if i m prosecuting a case for soliciting illegal foreign campaign aid and a witness testified to exactly what the president tweeted yesterday, my next move is to say no further questions. it s really an astonishing admission by the president. he essentially admits to 95% of a crime and the other 5% is obvious. we can break it down. the president tweeted, this was a meeting to get information on an opponent. that s quite an admission. and he says, well, it s done all the time in politics and nothing came of it. let s break that down for a second. okay. just asking for dirt on a campaign rival is not in itself illegal. but if you are trying to get that information from a foreign national, never mind foreign adversary like russia, and if that information has any amount of value and here clearly that information would have had extraordinary value, then it is a crime. we just saw a clip of the president s attorney jay sekulow saying point me to a statute, to a law. i don t want to turn this into a law school class but 52 usc 30212 that s a statute that makes it a crime to get campaign aid from a foreign national or foreign adversary. and, in fact, just if i walk with you for a second, elie, it doesn t matter if anyone acted on it and, in fact, there s no proof that they didn t act on it given all of the coincidences that then transpired with the president saying, hey, russia, if you re listening and the timing from the mueller investigation indictment of when that first they first set up that fake russian what would you call it? the wikileaks dump? the wikileaks and also the trolling account. you re right. factually, that s a big gap we have to see if mueller is able to bridge. the eventual hacking and posting of wikileaks. but if there is no link ultimately, what you said right up front is correct. even if there was no ultimate delivery of dirt, you still have a crime. under federal law and i think every state law, just the agreement to commit a crime is a conspiracy. as long as there s an agreement plus some minimal action and here i d say the team of russians that flew half across the world is more than enough. just the agreement itself is a conspiracy. and even if they tried and didn t get the information, that s still an attempt. both of those things are still crimes in and of themselves. peter, i want to ask you something about this working vacation, if you will and the president s retreat and the reports we saw our friend and colleague ashley parker in the washington post in writing on and phil rucker writing on saturday that the president is really getting exacerbated, getting increasingly upset. we see the tempo of some of these tweets against the press. increasing. now today he, if he did do it today and we have no way of knowing, they release a picture of him after they so-called put a lid on all of you that there will be no more pictures, no more movements today, nothing to cover and that they release a picture of him signing the sanctions against iran. we ll talk about iran in the next block. but this is normally something he d do in public. a photo opportunity. reinstituting sanctions against iran and dialing up the rhetoric. doing all of this very much in private. what are you sensing is going on behind the scenes? yeah, you point to something that is significant here obviously. this is a president who wants to show all that he is doing. how effective he has been in making america not just great but strong again. so this would have been what you imagine is an opportunity for the president before the cameras to sign that executive order today, the reimposition of many sanctions against iran. the statement the white house put out today says that the president signed it today. we can t verify that. of course, because we weren t there. but what i m hearing and the conversations that i ve had with people that speak to the president that are close to the president is that he is not just frustrated now but in effect, he is fearful right now. and the reporting as we ve witnessed, much of it for the washington post is that the president has real concerns that robert mueller is now zeroing in on members of his family. most notably his son donald trump jr. here who, according to the post in conversations with people that have been talking to the president, president trump is effectively indicating he has concerns his son may have not purposefully, but broken the law that he would have wandered, as they describe it into some position of legal jeopardy here. and to best demonstrate the president s real frustrations here is what he s done over the course of the last 72 hours. this weekend, lashing out at everything from the meetia to mueller to lebron james. a topic you ll talk about a little bit later. so effectively, he s going on offense as best he can, even as it appears in some ways investigators are closing in on those close to him. and peter baker, as a form ir moscow bureau chief and expert on vladimir putin and all things russia, i want to ask you about this appointment of steven seagal as the new appointment. steven seagal, you know, became a russian citizen a little while back. he is a fan of vladimir putin, a fan of the strong man. and so there s this trolling aspect to putin naming him to be his representative in this fashion. it s a way of sort of gigging the united states and saying, see, i ve got one of your stars. of course, steven seagal hasn t been a star for a few years or anything, but, you know, that s the way the russians operate. if they can one up you in some way, they d like to do it. well, i guess you d call him the dana rohrbacher of actors. former actors, retired actors. peter alexander, i love your color coordination with that gorgeous green backdrop in new jersey. and elie, thank you for joining us today. coming up, deepening the divide. today the first set of sanctions waived under the iran nuclear deal set to be reimposed. they ve signed the order. what next? ben rhodes joins me right here on andrea mitchell reports. stay with us on msnbc. , who governed thousands. commanded armies. yielded to no one. when i found you in my dna, i learned where my strength comes from. my name is courtney mckinney, and this is my ancestrydna story. now with 2 times more geographic detail than other dna tests. order your kit at ancestrydna.com joining me now, one of the architects of the deal under president obama, ben rhodes. now an msnbc political contributor. and the author of the new book the world as it is, a memoir of the obama white house. thank you, ben. good to see you. so you helped negotiate the nuclear deal. you were, obviously, heavily invested in that outcome. it never was intended to deal with iran s terror activities, not really its most of its ballistic missile activities and other actions certainly syria and iran and the world. does the president have a point in that iran is the world s worst terrorist, according to u.s. policy, and is misbehaving around the world? yes, no question. but the whole premise was that s why you want a nuclear deal so the worst terrorist sponsor can t have a nuclear weapon. what he did today violates the iran deal. we re now in violation of the deal. iran has not violated yet. what i sphefear is that it s go to make it more likely iran aquires a nuclear weapon, or we ll have a conflict with iran. or they could retaliate with a cyberattack and it will take us awhile to even detect who is the perpetrator. there s nothing to suggest that they will abandon their support for terrorism under sanctions. we were able to get them to abandon their pursiuit of a nuclear weapon. president rouhani is going to have a statement within the next hour or so from tehran speaking to his people. certainly a lot of indications in what both secretary pompeo has had to say, john bolton has had to say and what they said on a background conference call with us that they re saying, we are standing with you. bolton was asked on fox about a half hour ago whether he s really talking about regime change. i wanted to play that for you. our policy is not regime change but we want to put unprecedented pressure on the government of iran to change its behavior. so far they ve shown no indication they re prepared to do that. the president has made it clear repeatedly that he viewed the iran nuclear deal as one of the worst in american diplomatic history. i thought he was right on target on that. we re not going to allow iran to get nuclear weapons. the problem is we no long ver the leverage. we have the financial leverage. not diplomatically. can china and russia move in and buy all of this oil, not worrying about the u.s. sanctions, whereas european countries, by all reports, are backing out of tehran because of this action today? what bolton said is false. they changed their behavior. they rolled back their nuclear program. the second thing is bolton called for a regime change when he was outside the administration. so did pompeo. i don t think these men changed their views when they came in. i think they want regime change. the people who are going to be hurt are the iranian people. when you talk about china and russia and work arounds, the people in iran who are best at avoiding sanctions are the worst actors. the revolutionary guard there, the people engaged in supporting terrorism, they constructed all kinds of black network links where they can access revenue even when iran is under pressure. what you ll see is, yes, these will have an impact on the iranian economy. the iranian people will suffer but the hard-liners will not suffer because they are the ones who create those work arounds with the chinese and russians. and if they were to somehow spark an iranian revolution and we ve seen bad results in the past with such efforts, but if the iranian people did try to overthrow the regime, wouldn t it be president rouhani who supported the nuclear deal who would be the first target, not the military, not the revolutionary guard? and this to me is a huge disconnect kind november tof in anti-iran realm of politics. we all support a more democratic iran. and we thought the nuclear deal was more likely. wasn t going to transform iran. but to bring about change inside iran. the problem here, if there s a collapse if we see protests, people might, obviously, want to support the rights of people on the street, and so do i, but the people most poised to win a power struggle in iran are the people with guns. the revolutionary guard. they re more likely to emerge from a power struggle. you could get something worse if it s a complete collapse of the iranian state. so i worry about we may try to tip the regime over and get an even worse outcome. i want to since you re an expert on all of these foreign subjects, i wanted to ask you about venezuela. what we re seeing here, they claim it s a drone attack that raises all sorts of red alerts for homeland security if drones could be used in this fashion. we don t know whether that really took place or they re just trying to blame the opposition or build up his support but you basically have a failed state and it s the world s largest oil reserves with an economy that is now out of control. a million to one, the dollar to the venezuelan currency. what do we do? it could spark huge migration flows. could make our immigration problem worse. destabilize the neighbor colombia that we re very close to. i always thought what we need to be doing is bring about some type of break in this situation. as a unity government essentially, where the opposition is able to be brought into the government in venezuela more and a process of moving things forward. the only way to execute that is if we re working with the other countries in latin america to do that, everybody has to be pushing in the same direction. even a country like cuba that has a lot of influence in venezuela. we ve lost our influence in cuba. that s my point. we ve pulled back from latin america. we ve pulled back from the cuba opening. we have even less leverage and less lines into venezuela. i think we need to be actively involved to avert a continued spiral into chaos there. we need some type of diplomatic resolution. ben rhodes, thank you very much. author of the world as it is. and coming up buckeye battle. the president making a final pitch before tomorrow s special election in ohio. will the results be a hint of what s to come in november? republican strategist mike murphy joining us next here andrea mitchell reports on msnbc. i woke up in memphis and told. 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s especially so when it s a customer that s doing such good and important work for the environment. together, we re building a better california. in ohio, the last special election before the november midterms has emerged as the latest big test of president trump s political clout. republicans are in an all-out push to stave off a democratic surge with the president headlining a raucous really over the weekend to rally around troy balderson. but ohio s republican governor john kasich says the president s appearance in the buckeye state may do more harm than good. just watch. i said, troy, did you invite trump in here, the president? he said, no, i didn t. so i think donald trump decides where he wants to go and i think they re firing up the base, but i have to tell you at the same time he comes in here, i was with some women last night who so said, hey, you know, i m not voting for the republicans. see, this is the problem the party has now. joining me now is msnbc political analyst mike murphy, republican strategist, long time adviser to mitt romney, jeb bush and john mccain. great to see you. so what is the republican problem because this district has always been republican. and why is it even in play? i think i know the answer to that, but is it really in play and will the president push republicans to come out, the loyal republicans? you re exactly right. this is a pretty good republican district. better than 10-point advantage. what s happened with the president s unpopularity, which governor kasich was alluding to and some of the other headwinds gop has, i think, for being too slavishly behind the president is, it s like playing pool when somebody is picking up the pool table by four inches at the other end. the fact we re in, according to polls, a tight race here, though i think the republicans still have a slight advantage. ten-point district shows that there s a real political headwind in this year s election for the republicans. this is not the kind of district we re used to fighting for. and just to be clear, troy balderson endorsed obamacare, or the affordable care act so kasich has actual lly sided wit him and was questioning him as to why he brought trump in. he was there on stage so he was certainly not running away from the president. the strategy is pretty much, line up with the president. heat up the base. turn out the trump vote and try to win. that may work in a plus 11 republican district like this, but in a swing district, it really doesn t. it s an interesting campaign because balderson originally was running toward the center. i think feeling the generic republican headwind. and o connor, the democrat, was trying anything he could not to be anywhere near nancy pelosi who he d have to vote for, for speaker. then president trump comes in and i kind of believe governor kasich that president trump is the 800-pound guerrilla. that makes the referendum on the president. even if republicans win by three or four points they re still running seven or eight behind the generic what they ought to get in a district like this, which is a really scary signal to people in less republican districts who are up for re-election on the republican side. ron de santis in florida was a media beneficiary of the president showing up for him. yeah, in a republican primary, the president is the center of the world. when you do as desantis did, totally align yourself to president trump to win the primary, congratulations on winning a republican primary. but that won t get you anything in a general election unless at least in most swing states. but in a lot of swing states you have to attract a little more. it s like taking a lot of steroids. short term you re doing great. long-term you have health problems. we ll just have to wait until november to see how that strategy works out. nearby in kansas, the president has come out with a tweet endorsing kris kobach, the controversial secretary of state in kansas in a republican challenge to a republican-sitting governor. i donts know what happened to the ronald reagan 11th commandment, never to get involved as president in a republican primary, but, boy, donald trump doesn t care about that one. yeah, i think he does what he wants, which some people like about him. the old rule of politics is, you generally don t mess with uncome bent governors unless they re really a problem in the state. it s being practical and being kurtuous. but president trump doesn t play by any of the knife and fork rules of politics which again for some people is part of his appeal. but if he has to operate within the political system, it has customs and rules. so he s got a lot more enemies in the kansas republican world than he did yesterday and long term again, these things come back to haunt you in politics. mike murphy has been there and seen it all. it s great to have you here today. thanks very much. and continuing our focus on the voters head to the polls tomorrow in michigan. twin sisters are running for the same position in different districts but from different political parties. nbc s morgan radford has that story. so this is your district and this is yours? that s my district. reporter: with just hours until the election, monica sparks and jessica ann tyson are competing for county commissioner. same position, different parties with one big thing in common. they re twins. do you think president trump is doing a good job? i do. i do. i wish i could just cross my eyes on that. no! for monica, it s a primary race for kent county s 12th district running as a democrat. can i get your vote august 7th? jessica is running in the 13th district as a republican. monica was always there for me. she was the only one that i had. we are the people that call each other every morning. you re so used to being on the same team that it s hard being on different teams. being born to a mom addicted to heroin, they suffered abuse in the foster care system before they were adopted by a loving family at age 8. i remember eating out of trash cans, trying to find food. that s why i know there are issues because i dealt with those. i could have been one of those cogs in the wheel, so to speak. and when i look at the democratic party, we re trying to address that. and how did your childhood affect you wanting to be a republican. i was one of those people. i had to go apply for welfare, but as soon as i had the opportunity to get a better job, to take care of my business and save a couple of pennies on the side, i went and turned in that welfare card. although they are still split over the biggest issues of the day. the contract with i.c.e. we need to have a solution. in this hard-fought swing state, voters are glad to see any bridge over the political divide. i think it s wonderful. why? that they can have opposite opinions and still be sisters and still get along as sisters. you should have different views, and as long as you re educated and you have your own reasonings, why you re a democrat or republican, fine. they should be able to talk about it. reporter: talk about it and agree to disagree. i am not going to try to convert her, and she is not going to convert me, okay? because no matter what your politics, they say the left wing and the right wing are both part of the same birds. morgan radford, nbc news, kentwood, michigan. we ll be keeping a close eye on that race. thank you. coming up, unlock the gates. the second week of paul manafort s trial could bring its most critical moment. the testimony of former right-hand man rick gates. stay with us on andrea mitchell reports on msnbc. hi i m joan lunden. today s senior living communities have never been better, with amazing amenities like movie theaters, exercise rooms and swimming pools, public cafes, bars and bistros even pet care services. and there s never been an easier way to get great advice. a place for mom is a free service that pairs you with a local advisor to 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emotional rahm emmanuel after another horrible weekend of violence in chicago. and here closer to home, president trump s former campaign chairman paul manafort s trial on bank fraud and tax charges begins its second week this afternoon. they start around 1:00 eastern. rick gates is expected to be the star witness some time this week when he testified against paul manafort. his former boss and business partner. but will the jury believe gates, someone who admitted to lying to prosecutors against someone accused of lying? joining me now, barbara mcquaid, a former u.s. attorney in michigan. also an msnbc legal contributor and covering the trial in alexandria. thanks for being with us. we re expected to hear more from the accountant, perhaps cross-examination of the accountant who was a very damaging witness, by many accounts, on friday. that said, what do we expect next if rick gates does take the stand? if rick gates takes the stand, i think we can expect him to confirm some of the things that have already been put into evidence. he assisted paul manafort in his conspiracy. he s pleaded guilty to conspiracy. that they were in on it together. that they had offshore bank accounts they were using to hide their income and they submitted false documents to banks in support of loans when that business dried up. i think that we ll see some cross-examination of rick gates because he has some baggage as someone who is, as you ve said, pleaded guilty to a crime and admitted to lying to the government. and the other issue will be whether gates as a cooperator with the government is a safe witness for the prosecution. whether it can be muddied up by the defense. that s their main case. their main case from their opening statement is that he was the bad guy and not paul manafort. yeah, the defense has really pinned all of their hopes on rick gates and painting him as the bad guy. that paul manafort was so busy running the business that he didn t have enough time to focus on paying the bills and filing his tax returns and rick gates took care of all of that. i still have some questions in my mind whether the government will call rick gates. the race has come in very strong with the documents, the tax returns and the bank records and all these accountants. it s a little dry but they have a lot of evidence. with rick gates there is some evidence the defense woepn t be able to paint him as someone just lying to get a better deal for himself and telling the government what they want to hear. he could serve as a narrator to tie together some of these documents and paint a compelling story. we expect him to take the stand at any time. if you re going to use a cooperator, the time to do it is in the middle of your case. in training we referred to it as the cooperator sandwich. start strong, end strong and put that riskier piece in the middle. a somewhat infamous or celebrated potential witness, the manhattan madam, kristin davis is scheduled to be testifying before the grand jury. she had an interview, which reportedly by all accounts had to do with her longstanding close professional relationship, working relationship, i should say, with roger stone. yeah, that will be very interesting. i have read that she was interviewed last week and has now been called to the grand jury which tells me during that interview, she said something they thought was of sufficient value that they want to go through the trouble of bringing her in before the grand jury, putting her under oath and sharing that information with the grand jury. she may not know the significance of what she has to say. it may just be one further link. but it does confirm what we have thought for a while and that s that roger stone is likely a target of this investigation. what roger stone has said is she s been involved with his business setting up websites for him and doing other i.t. work. and so perhaps she s being valued as an informational witness on whatever the connections he had between guccifer and wikileaks and live connections that he has previously acknowledged but now tries to put in a different light. yeah, and it may be, as you said, that she doesn t know the significance of what she has to say. but she s a factness. i don t think robert mueller and his team would go on a fishing expedition asking her what she knows. they believe on what they ve heard from other witnesses or what they have seen in documents that she likely has information of value to them. it may not be the bombshell but it may be a listening between one thing and another so they see her testimony as valuable and it sounds like they ll put her in the grand jury to make sure they hear that information as well. certainly seems if they re going after roger stone, it s over alleged or suspected relationships between trump campaign associates and russia. yeah, it seems based on what we know and there may be other things we don t know but what we know is that roger stone was there, that link between assange and wikileaks and guccifer 2.0. it may be that he s that important link between the hacking and the trump campaign and that really could open up the whole campaign to criminal exposure for violating the computer, fraud and abuse act. one could really envision a superseding document on that indictment already charged against the 12 intelligence officers from russia that adds members of the trump campaign. wow. barbara mcquade, thanks so much. we ll be looking to hear from you next on the trial itself when it resumes today. coming up out of bounds? president trump lashing out at lebron james. continuing his troubling pattern of criticizing prominent african-americans. the inside scoop is next. stay with us on andrea mitchell reports on msnbc. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely. with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast. .and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can t do anything about that. now that you know the truth. are you in good hands? what i notice over the last few months, that he s kind of used sport to kind of divide us and that s something that i can t relate to. what would you say to the president that he s sitting here? i would never sit across from him. you would never? you would never want to talk to him. yes. those remarks from king james. as james was promoting the opening of his public charter school in his hometown of akron, ohio. first lady melania trump coming out and support lebron james saying in a statement it looks like lebron james is working to do good things on behalf of our next generation. let s get the insights in all of this and our msnbc contributor and sabrina sediki. welcome both. it has not gone unnoticed that lebron was speaking to don lemon and the president went to both of them in the same tweet and he in another rally went after maxine waters talking about her being low iq. it can t be a coincidence that every time he goes to after an african-american critic, he attacks them. when you talk about the president going after two african-american men talking about something that s not controversial. the americans are familiar going after african-americans and going at them in a way that gets in the core of the problem. african-americans are not as smart as white people and not as talented as the white people. there is the idea that the president is poking at american stoe society and he s doing this through race. here because lebron james is not just a celebrated african-american male. he s doing something that s about education and he s doing something that the president could not celebrated and instead he chose to take this route. sabrina, it does call into action. what is going on here, chuck todd said this. this is not just a whistle. this is a whistle. the president repeatedly used his platform to attack people with color. if you think of the feud he pick with the nfl and he tried to turn it into a debate. what he was willing to do is further this notion that some how the athletes are trying to draw attention to criminal justice that are not patriotic. it was a racial attack. i think if you look at lebron james and his interview, his criticism of the president was fairly muted. the point he was trying to make that by investing in youths, you can help to bridge some of the divides that do exist by breaking down some of those societial barriers that those community colors face. the president shows himself incapable of focusing on anybody but himself. a couple of kmepts thcomment over the weekend. a long time strategist, peter wehner, trumps s made the same criticism of black athletes, black journalists and black members of congress. he attacks intelligence. trump now defines the gop. are you concerned that the president is defining the gop as anti-black? well, the gop is not antiblack. i think you got to be more careful in our society about what you say and about people that are different than you and you know a lot of things for instance you can say about maxine waters but to indicate she s not a bright person is not one of them. she s very smart and very calculating. that s from a republican senator who probably does not agree on almost anything in terms of banking regulations or financial regulations. yeah, i think what you have seen in president trump is someone who have gone after african-americans and who has been able to raise by some key people. the president of naacp said that trump was racist. he might have been born in kenya and the leader of his birther movement of what trump said about president obama. i interviewed trump supporter and he was in the meeting of the black pastor that the president had last week. he did not see anything that the president said was derogatory. he thought the media was playing it up. there are african-americans supporting the president. there are people out there defending him. you certainly see them at the rally and we don t know why they are there and how they got there. we see them standing in these rallies, sabrina. this is about the president trying to suppress black voices. i think that s the theme that comes out of his feud of athletes with color. the thing that s striking, too, this is someone who rose to politic political prominence questioning whether the first black of the president of the country was even born in the country. he tried to insight black lives matter. it transcends to the policies and his administration have gone back to reinstatement and drug offenses and have a disproportiona disproportionate effect. and challenging the women s rights act. so good to see you. thank you so much for joining us. lester holt will speak with director spike lee of his new film of the incredible true story of a black police officer infiltrating the kkk. more ahead here on andrea mitchell reports, we ll be right 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a song in. death thank you very much. lawmakers in argentina and you to vote today to decide whether or not to legalize abortion it s a controversial decision with fiercely polarized campaigns for the for and against the proposed bill the catholic church has been campaigning to get the upper house of congress to reject the measure but there has also been strong support for the poor choice lobby especially amongst the younger generation in june congress is sponsored draft education by the narrowest of margins but this time it s widely expected to port sort off the votes necessary to pass it into real. now for more on this very divisive issue i m joined by our ethics and religion correspondent has been closely following this story on abortion in argentina welcome martin as we mentioned this proposed bill will spot in the law house but it s expected to fail in the house what is your assessment when this afraid no there are thirty eight against thirty one senators that have a clear their vote intention in favor of the bill so would looks like it will not pass but we were in a fairly similar similar situation in june in the lower house with where the bill also started with opposition and then it sort of even out and eventually passed so you know it s hard to know but i mean as of right now yeah that s give us your perspective on just how divided the country is on this issue and how polarized people about oh it s a wedge issue no doubt about it but it s an issue that that s not have the same characteristics that you would see in europe and most certainly not in the u.s. i mean here we have. sort of a policy question that sort of runs not just among conservative liberal lines but you have actually many people inside the government which is by most accounts a conservative government that have essentially they re given a you know a go ahead to the vote the president himself which anti-abortion has actually allowed this thing. to go through and then he would not vote it should should the law get through so it is a very complicated set of elements it has to do with the fact that in argentina abortion already exists in most places countries around the world but it is strongly divided along the lines of class so people that have money can procure themselves of origin so outside the country people that don t have money are read used to be go of orphans that very often end up in very serious medical conditions or death let s take you can either abortions are illegal within the country now lot of people who approach choice. because so many get thousands of illegal abortions every other knowledge and you know and the official numbers about two hundred forty women die every year as a result on the post itself an illegal abortion is there not the danger that more and more women do you go down this very dangerous spot and you say well so two hundred forty people dead on sort of in the in the effects of illegal abortions it s really just official number very likely that you know the numbers are much much higher the number of the tele stations is about sixty thousand so it s a very very large number of people and it s sort of say my official so the issue here is relieved that i don t think it will push more people into illegal abortions that there are now i mean the numbers will remain constant i think that even if this doesn t go through we re in a very good situation the main reason why it is a good situation is because the debate has been open now it s on the table so that goes to say that if this doesn t go through you know there is enough of there is enough of a boosh and there is enough of critical mass to push the central into policy the big question that argentina and i think that by and large most countries that are grappling with this are trying to deal with this even if there are moral qualms with abortion it is very clear that the reality of abortion of origin us it s happening has to be in some way manage in a way other than criminalizing it and the question for all this is this country and right now is how right and that s a big question mark in doc thank you very much for that my plan is this. let me bring you some other stories making news around the world award winning bangladeshi photographer scheibel olim has again been detained by police after he was admitted to hospital and was first arrested on sunday after speaking out in favor of student led protests he says he was severely beaten in custody and a court ordered his discharge to a clinic yesterday rights groups have condemned his detention. internees in efficiency the death toll from sunday s earthquake in long book province has risen to one hundred thirty one aid workers have been struggling to reach victims in remote areas and many are still believed to be buried in the rubble over one hundred and fifty thousand people have been displaced by the quake . zimbabwe s mean opposition party says it informally challenged the result of the country s presidential election nelson chamisa and his m.d.c. party narrowly lost the last three exposed to president most and when god was a zanu p.f. the result sparked protests that were met with deadly force by the country s military zimbabwe s electoral commission has dismissed allegations of fraud. germany has wrapped up a deal that will send migrants and refugees who have been registered initially by spanish authorities back to spain to live deal with come into force on saturday spain has become the main entrance points for refugees crossing the mediterranean sea more than twenty three thousand migrants and in spain in two thousand and eighteen and that s the number given by the united nations as many more than in greece the deal with spain allows german authorities to reject those refugees who have already been registered as asylum seekers in spain german chancellor angela merkel wants to reach similar agreements with austria italy and greece. for longer so you listen to a political correspondent a simony unfun what s been agreed with spin tell us more about that agreement first well i mean as he said this agreement affects people who have all very already been registered as migrants by the spanish authorities that is to say their names are listed in the european refugee database called euro dak but they then go on to arrive at the german border this agreement gives the german or thora tease the power to return those people to spain as long as they do it within forty eight hours that s the nuts and bolts of it and the return of these refugees and migrants is always been of a controversial issue and most countries are not willing to take them back why has been agreed. well i think spain like germany has an interest in limiting the amount of secondary migration within the e.u. it would like to see a fairer system for spreading people around the european union but that hasn t been possible to organize so at the moment madrid is saying that this will affect very few people but it s also worth saying that the german government spokesman said today that misspend have not received anything in return for its agreement even though the spanish prime minister said back in june that he expected germany to be covering the costs so there may be still a little bit to clear up as far as that goes the thing to realize from the german perspective is that this deal is part of a solution to a battle within the german government about migration which threatened to topple chancellor merkel just a couple of months ago essentially the bavarian conservatives the c.s.u. want more powers to send back on prevent some migrants are entering germany and you know this kind of deal will give them some powers to do that and they want to reach more agreements with italy and greece in the future as well right simon young thank you this is goals ben chief executive ilan moscow wants to take the electric comic a private tesla shares surged by eleven percent on the news before trading was halted more than an hour on tuesday on wednesday the board of directors said it s going to evaluate the plan. if musk can succeed in taking tesla private it would be the largest leveraged buyout in history. musk tweeted on tuesday that he was considering taking tesla private at four hundred twenty dollars a share saying that he d secured funding ideal at that price would represent a price tag of about seventy two billion dollars he didn t say where the funding was coming from shortly after his tweet musk published a letter to tesla employees on the company s blog where he said that going private would be the best path forward and would allow tesla to operate at its best free from distraction and short term thinking going private would also be one way to avoid close scrutiny by the public market musk has feuded publicly with regulators critics short sellers and reporters some analysts believe he would prefer to have less transparency the company is still trying to overcome production challenges which have held up its new model three sedan on which tesla s profitability rests that hasn t stopped musk from announcing major projects like multibillion dollar facilities in china and europe analysts have expressed skepticism at those plans statements about taking the company private are facing similar doubts but if followed through this could be a make or break moment for the silicon valley company as competition from european automakers is poised to intensified with new electric vehicles from our t. and jag us with more rivals to follow suit next year. is this. must made this announcement and it won t be a surprise to a lot of his followers of course on twitter like any attention seeking person would these days it feels that the way to go when it comes to the private goings on but behind a corporate strategy well that s a very good question because twitter is relatively new in this context of course rules and regulations of how to make these ad hoc announcements so so it s very important but it seems to be legal i want to reach something to you from those rules on. fair disclosure as they re called and it states that companies are required and i quote to distribute material information in a manner received reasonably designed to get that information out to the general public broadly and non exclusively and that is of course precisely what twitter does it is certainly broad it is not at all exclusive anybody analysts investors anyone can have it so there you go it s a very literate it s so it s transparent but is it spot it s probably not smart and i would think it s probably not smart specifically when you look at the loan must because musk is a serial tweeter like some other people these days making the news are and he doesn t always take it seriously april fool s day this year he tweeted that test just went into bankruptcy now that is not really a joke when you re running a seventy billion dollars company that can really start shock waves and present the markets down not only for one company this is problematic you can t joke like that in such an irresponsible way as though of course people wondering with him specifically is this is a serious announcement is this the joke he names the number for twenty he wants to pay four hundred twenty dollars and people said well for twenty is the marianna reference it s stolen language is that a joke is that code nobody really knows and now the company is worth even more because the surge of share is set up the market valuation of the company of course makes it a muscular which he made more than a billion dollars yesterday just like that because he owns about thirty three million shares and they went up thirty seven dollars each so he made a tremendous amount of money but it s just about the same amount of money that short sellers lost those investors that are betting against tesla they lost over a billion and they actually lost over six billion in the last two years iran must must be liking that much more than his own riches of course briefly wouldn t mean is it also quite a bit going private i know why the big. carmaker has done this. i m sure there are lots of advantages as far as the long mosque and his strategy definitely a very ambitious man or if he wanted to from there he held accountable to shareholders and regulated exactly well once you are listed on wall street you are not only accountable but your accountable to your shareholders on a three month basis quarterly numbers so of course wall street favors short term thinking and that of course means that as a c.e.o. you might have to make decisions every once in a while that help your numbers in march and june or so but that are detrimental maybe to your long term strategy into your vision. you want to keep the vision alive thank you. german ryanair pilots just voted to join their swedish belgian and irish colleagues in striking friday ahead of the announcement ryanair already cancelled one hundred forty six flights to destinations all over europe affecting more than twenty five thousand passengers its numbers are set to rise as the german pilots join the twenty four hour strike to demand a higher base salary by the pilot salaries and not too low pilots rules of flying the airline over base transfers the maximum number of flying hours promotions and annual leave. let s pull in our financial correspondent correct bouzid in frankfurt any sign at all of ryanair budging on this. no ben and if we token take into consideration how the management of ryanair has handled recent conflicts with the union it s likely that this will escalate further in ireland after pilots went on strike ryan air threaten to transfer planes from ireland to poland and force the employees to also move from island to poland the management in the negotiations with the unions here in germany has talked about potentially doing something like that here as well that s why it s so significant that in this case unions from four different countries of the european union acting together it s a first for such concerted action they re joining their forces in order the largest airline how s this going to hurt bookings. well run itself doesn t give exact estimates in the case of those island strikes the managers have said that they have had a negative effect on bookings and in the long run of course this indicates that the times of thirty to forty euro tickets are over as you know also ryan air will have to do something move and as you know now the. unions are acting in concert action on the european level it s not likely that you know the super low costs will hold at ryanair ok troubling times for flying europeans this caribbean in frankfurt thank you. and just briefly the trade war between the u.s. and china is set to enter a new round washington has announced further tolerance of twenty five percent on sixteen billion dollars worth of chinese products to take effect in two weeks from now and you judy s target industrial products like metals chemicals and electronics the trunk administration had already imposed high tariffs on chinese imports last month but china s foreign trade has so far shrugged off the dispute exports showed surprising growth in july at more than twelve percent compared to the same period last year. came on us with sarah now in a decade ago europe s first war of the twenty first century broke out and readers are thank you for. all of the time you look so similar. ten years ago today europe s first war of the twenty first century broke out between russia and georgia it erupted over the russian backed breakaway provinces some of the city and which most of the international community doesn t recognize don t recognize as independent states and the conflict killed several hundred people and displaced thousands it only lasted a few days but ten years on look who s on the boundary line still live in uncertainty our reporter emily shogun took a closer look in the georgian town of ditsy just across the district of boundary line from south to set here. but she is land falls on the fault lines of a frozen conflict some maps show the boundary line to the russian backed breakaway region of south a set running straight through his farm. signs in the distance read state border a line most of the international community doesn t recognize says russian border guards patrol the end of his cornfield british on the move. if you cross the line they can seize you fine you put you in prison. there. cross they take them. they walk around here and. they walk around with dogs with weapons and. in a certain psychological state all the time. during the war several bombs fell on land his eighty four year old mother vanessa says she lost one of her three sons. at night i sometimes. i m afraid for my son but. still seem afraid that they will come back. in august two thousand and eight tensions between russia and georgia escalated into a war over the breakaway regions of. georgia moved to take back control of. russia responded with tanks and airstrikes it said it was defending russian citizens in the region. today there are russian bases in both breakaways including in south the city is de facto capital tskhinvali the e.u. monitoring mission acts as a mediator and it patrols the de facto border but the e.u. calls the administrative boundary line the. big number of. relatively close to each other and the middle of course is something that you have to monitor closely especially where there s no common agreement on where the a deal is running. carefully and that s why we are on the ground with two hundred twenty four for russia and. this is a state border while for georgia this is a temporary occupation line but for the people who live here this is a source of uncertainty even ten years after the war here in many places the border simply. moving boundary line has swallowed some of the property in the past now he s determined to stand his ground this farm has been in his family for generations. i have nowhere else to go this is my part of georgia this is my. country i won t even. drop going to anyone. for the younger generation living on the border the war is a distant memory but with the conflict still unresolved the threat of tensions boiling over. and is an ever present reality. that support by media news and many show when you watching do you news coming up ahead of the unusual is the cool ones at the edinburgh fringe are trying to stand out from the cost of thousands and generate buzz for their shows that story would be a door to you via dragon mondragón culture desk and don t forget you can always get g.w. news on the go just dunga absolutely zero from the office told doesn t give you the latest oh i took all the latest news and information from around the long as most push notifications school any breaking news you can also use these i ll be up to send us photos and videos. i ll be back with you shortly with a lot 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ecosystems and at the plight of paris climate accord may not do enough to stop. by the full malaysian prime minister. has been charged with three new council money laundering at a cost in the capitol hill is already facing charges of breach of trust and abusing his position in connection with a multi-billion dollar scandal involving a state investment fund. denies any joint wrongdoing but the accusations have led to his stunning floor from power and a host of legal troubles. yes another day in court for malaysia s former prime minister not that he s accused of pocketing the equivalent of more than ten million dollars from a company linked to the state s investment found one empty baby not to pay did not guilty and was released on bail but this is just one small part of a much larger investigation that could see the former prime minister spend the rest of his life in prison if involvement is proved. emotions run high when our jeep was first arrested last month after police said he and his associates had stolen billions of dollars of public money from the state fund to finance a lavish lifestyle. raids on his properties turned up a trove of luxury items such as handbags and jewelry worth more than a staggering two hundred seventy million dollars fee. investigators also said nearly seven hundred million dollars was transferred to not chief s private bank account. in a recent interview he again denied the charges are worse nor didn t have any knowledge whatsoever of money is coming in i would not have. your partner. the investigation has now also spread to other countries including the u.s. this yachts was impounded in indonesia after requests by the u.s. department of justice it s one of thousands of luxury purchases they said were made with money siphoned off from the found. out about the allegations of corruption at the highest level of society have caused outrage in malaysia they contributed to not cheaps defeats in the general election in may it was the new government who insisted an investigation into an r.g.p. reopened after he had initially been cleared of wrongdoing while in office. now the hope is that justice will be done. now almost all social media platforms except for twitter have banned new tourists in us conspiracy theorists alex jones for promoting hate speech the some applaud the move while others are wired that this sets a precedent for mass censorship by big tech companies for more let me draw in our wonderful social media editor elizabeth so great to see you liz now little dears outside the u.s. may not know about much about alex jones and his in for was website who and what are their. well rita alex jones created the info wars media outlet about twenty years ago so he has the website he has he s the host of different t.v. shows over a number of radio shows and radio podcasts and he s best known for spreading conspiracy theories or through his media network and he s also very much known for really getting worked up when he s trying to make a point as you can see in this video right here so i mean he has made really a number of absurd claims over the last year is he believes for example that the u.s. government is putting chemicals in the water to turn frogs gay and he says that the u.s. government is behind the september eleventh attacks on the world trade center and maybe most famously he made the claim that the sandy hook shooting the school shooting where twenty six people were killed a he claims that that was actually a hoax and that child actors where used to stage that tragic accident so although he s saying a lot of things that really are not based on any truth he still has lots of followers ten million people who visit his website every month and he s very popular but at the same time also very controversial and that s why tech companies have now started knocking him. well these tech companies have been facing a lot of pressure from the public also from governments they are supposed to continue fighting hate speech and also fighting the spread of fake news so really in an unprecedented move we ve seen big companies like apple for example facebook spotify you tube removing content from alex jones so it is his podcast the videos that were posted by him ah there is have gone ahead and really blocked him completely and they re giving different reasons as to why they re doing that for example we have the radio and podcast service stitcher they are giving this explanation on twitter they say we have received we have reviewed alex jones podcasts and found he has on multiple occasions harassed or allowed harassment of private individuals and organizations and that harassment has led listeners of the show to engage in similar harassment and damaging activity now the only major platform that still allows alex jones to have his own account and also continue spreading his content is a twitter and in fact the twitter c.e.o. jack dorsey he says that if we succumb and simply react to outside pressure rather than straightforward principles that we enforce and evolve impartially regardless of political viewpoints a we become a service that s constructed by our personal views that can swing in any direction and that is a not asked and in fact we re seeing a broader discussion right now about the power that tech companies have in fighting hate speech and also the spread of the spread of fake news but on the other hand they also have the responsibility to allow free speech so that is really where people are asking how much power these companies should have relevant for most social media thank you very much. turning now to russia and the protests to pussy riot has made an appearance made an appearance you might remember during the world cup final day last month one that got them into jail members of the group van onto the pitch dressed as police officers interrupting the match that president vladimir putin was said to be watching a detail record has fallen so rich met the recently released activists and sent us this exclusive report. that they are heroes to some to others just criminals pussy riot or russia s most divisive group we meet in a traditional cold moscow apartments. just an artistic and political collective we don t have a fixed number of members different people come together from various factions you would just. actions like the recent protests at the football world cup final in moscow games to highlight police violence play stop just pussy riot activists stormed the pitch wearing police uniforms they were arrested and sentenced to fifteen days in jail the protesters were freed only a few days ago i wish i could still exist then you know people don t understand what we re about we have to explain it to them that s part of our job and we ve sick day he s just at the not quite normal for people not to understand our artistic approach but they do get our political engagement. when your server joined pussy riot she lost her job as a bar manager the running can be caution it does modeling and wants to be an actress p.r. to fasten office involved with independent websites together a breath of fresh air in russian politics even if not everyone approves of. most people don t like what we do. but that doesn t make any difference to us what you know. and the. papers claim that i m not a model. they imply that i m a prostitute but i don t care that i know what i m doing and i m happy with it yes no stage oh yeah that there are states at the russian pussy riot are aware of police surveillance and they don t expect fair treatment by the state controlled media i mean the last big attack us because they have to because pussy riot don t do what they want that s just the way it is the state media always attack opposition groups but their. personal right won t let that spoil the party for them the struggle. to put. rich avocados are a common sight in many supermarkets in many countries around the world but it was not orvis the case and their growing popularity is causing conflict in mexico avocado farmers are taking up arms to fend off gangs trying to steal the valuable fruit and to protect their crops from corrupt government. this farmer won t go out to his avocado plantation without a gun he doesn t want to be identified nor for his face to appear on camera avocado farming has become a dangerous profession in mexico ever since organized crime recognize that it s become one of the most popular fruits on the planet. i m wearing a mask so that no one can identify me but. i have to protect myself no one can know. farmers here coal avocados green gold there s a lot of money to be made with them and anyone in mexico who are in a lot of money has to fear for their lives. to twice. my ribs and my fingernails gang held me for a month they killed two of my brothers. so he swore never again to go on armed and now carries weapons as if he were going into combat he belongs to a local self-defense militia that protects farmers crops from organized crime no one here is waiting for help from the government anymore. the. government was so corrupt that they did the same things the gangs were doing. if we didn t defend ourselves they were. his farm is just one of many here in the region surrounding towns and it s the heart of avocado cultivation in mexico every day they produce avocados worth about one million u.s. dollars in the middle of an area riddled by filing. the radio transmitter is perhaps the most important weapon in his fight against crime. within this farmer s able to communicate with other farmers nearby of course also heavily armed. has its own fighters and they have about seventy checkpoints on the roads leading into the city and anyone they don t know is thoroughly searched. come to pick avocados we re asking them for. there are about thirty thousand people in tents itar oh it s a relatively small city where peace and tranquility seem to reign a comparative rarity in mexico. before the self defense militias were set up i ve dumped in an extortion where a daily occurrence. proclaims itself the avocado capital of the world and the people are proud of their products many here live from of a condo sales and hope that the bad old days never return. on visitors it used to be so bad. so many people were coming to steal our condos. and they took them by the truckload. for the bank on the mill. but this newly won security has to be constantly defended that s why tense ataru has its own well trained protection force they re paid for by the citizens and tolerated by the mexican state their objective is clear to keep the gangs out. about four kilometers away to cartels or in armed conflict fighting for control of a small area that s why we re watching this area to make sure no one comes here. every single one of these men is hand-picked by the community council many have given up their regular jobs to serve in this special unit with about one hundred people they guard tents atauro city limits this is in response to the violence and gulf in mexico and the government s failure to protect them their message to others protect yourselves. and then we will piss into them it would be nice if people in other regions could band together and follow our lead. if we work together for the cartels wouldn t stand a chance. traveling through mexico it s easy to see the scars of the violence of recent years has left on the country in large areas the states authorities has vanished the citizens in uniform have armed themselves they ve taken their destiny into their own hands and they re taking back their streets. we re now on our way to check on here people s livelihoods depend on looking the timber in the region is their main source of income but organized crime also saw this opportunity the result masti forestation. but then the citizens of children decided they d had enough seven years ago they took back the city and drove out the cartels something said about them it was so sad to see how the criminals cleared hundreds of tech tears now i will be able to hand over a flourishing forest to my children. they have their own uniforms complete with the city s coat of arms just to show who has the final say here it s something the mexican state should be doing but the people here gave up on the federal authorities a long time ago now they themselves carry out the patrols through the forest this form of independence has made children famous in the country. people come from all over mexico to cheer on to encourage others they say go go. is it weird that all of mexico could be like. children is a small quaint town where sixteen thousand people live together in peace the place has its own rhythm and knows how to enjoy the little things in life if there are problems there are discussed at meetings you won t find any of mexico s major political parties here the town runs itself and doesn t take part in general elections. in a way that children is now a small mini state in the vast nation of mexico simply because the country couldn t protect its citizens any more. in our eyes children is not an example or a model for others but it is an inspiration because it shows how you can counteract mexico s crisis but are from. mexico a country of border controls and militia groups and children and ten sutanto are two cities with a distinct message to the rest of the country. for yourselves. to the european athletics championships underway in berlin on thursday and jenny s hopes rest on an athlete who overcame many odds to represent a country discus thrower cloud was born shortly after pensive arrived in germany from uncle or and sought asylum now ultra successful in jr korea accounting is vague to prove that she s europe s best. claudine v.t. has medals in her sights she s already thrown her personal best this year sixty five point one five meters and now she heads into the qualifying round of the european championships in berlin ranked second this is how moments. vettel i was in the stands at the two thousand and nine world championships in berlin as a fan now i can hardly wait to experience it all down on the field as an athlete and it. reads it was born in one thousand nine hundred six in frankfurt near the polish border have parents fled there from angola and spent many years in a home for asylum seekers they weren t easy times for the family but sports helped claudine to find her way in life and overcome plenty of obstacles including racial discrimination. it doesn t matter what skin color you have just long as you stay true to your roots and your country so i m so happy that i can represent him he s trampy and ships. claudine beach that was already a force to be reckoned with youth level she grabbed gold at the under twenty and junior european championships and that s despite her rivals towering over her one metre seventy nine feet is a good ten centimeters shorter than the competition in the discus circle. and. i may be smaller than the others but i have very long arms which gives me a wide radius when i stroke. my belief the smaller you are the more nimble you are in the circle. and her coach usted combine those former olympic gold medal winner in shotput make the perfect duo ahead of the competition they re using every opportunity to make minor improvements maybe that ll be enough to help claudine v.t. bring home a european championship medal. the edinburgh festival fringe claims to be the single biggest celebration of othen culture on the planet and right now it s well underway in the scottish capital of robin merritt from death is head to get us all about it welcome robin the last day they were three thousand five hundred events in the range this year. do you know the real answer is nobody knows i ve even spoken to the festival office on the phone and they come they won t give of i think that figure officially is about the same amount they ship the festival program is they stick it s like a novel it s a book and i cording to that there are about three thousand five hundred shows with fifty four thousand performances in these three and a half weeks of the festival but there s always performers who turn up on spec and hope to get a venue or something this illness as well people don t also some say by the way that the whole thing is much too big but i obviously believe you can t get enough culture. awash with this is far as i m concerned so without further ado let s have a look of what makes the fringe aneta brust so special. every august musicians acrobats and theater troops converge on to edinburgh scotland for the edinburgh festival fringe and for more than three weeks the venerable royal mile in the historical old town becomes a stage for performers from all over the world. thank. god we fell full time and we have to look at the sixty sometimes they say much is just a well of creativity is unique. as far as i m aware there s police else in the world where art just lives and reads it s overwhelming but i think that s the best part of frames where you go you get pulled into one direction or another you know what know what you re going to be missed most of the former spend the day trying to convince as many people as they can to come to their show. details that you can just show you up side by side out. the shows on offer range from cabaret to stand up comedy to classical standards and musicals competitions is intense. it s sad it s very difficult where i m from nine o clock in the morning just straight away flyer and i were doing silly stuff like gibril pillars to try and just drop the charges because there s so many people have got somebody different biggest shot. officially a side bar to the edinburgh international festival the french has been growing since it first took place in one nine hundred forty seven expanding to pubs theatres and hidden clubs anyone who can talk their way into one of the three hundred seventeen venues can join in. there s a cultural democracy that underpaying the frames or so it doesn t matter if your panel is brought out or you re an artist who s performing for the first time you get exactly the same coverage in the french program you get exactly the same treatment exactly the same slot in the end. that you don t always do. there s a kind of beautiful quality to it so there s something for everyone at the famous studies spring. something for everybody on the fringes those are quite famous with stand up comedy and it s a stepping stone for bigger and greater things with and without a doubt i mean it started many illustrious career is just one example of it when they started the comedy award back in ninety nine he won the first win is with the cambridge footlights review and three of the win is with the name stephen fry huge laurie dr house for other people and emma thompson the the great hollywood actress now i mean that they were they original is jumping forward to today a lot one of last year s winners was a very interesting australian comedian called hand eye godspeed and she has just made a one hour special for netflix which gong had refused like groundbreaking from vanity fair and the game changing from the writing style and the discussions she s driving and inspiring are going to be far reaching his a little clip of a taste of her unique and very thought provoking humor. if you re comfortable in a small town or going to be my legs on the situation. in a small town that s all wrong from a distance. people are all good. but nothing was taken for a man but i would want to be a straight white man fight or die the fight would be substantially i. do think i have to create comedy. i m probably not the forum to mike such an announcement is good but i don t agree i added self-deprecating humor and i simply will not do that anymore not to myself or anybody who identifies. stand by the self deprecation its no humility its humiliation what i would have done to story like mine. do you wonder if everybody for you something like a book they did this is the most the range which is going on in edinburgh and that s the only that s you. fringe is some name because it was on the side of the main international edinburgh festival which started nine hundred forty seven evidently some offices turned up who didn t have anywhere to play they found a place to buy that to cut a very long story short with the start of the french also it had brought the moment is the editor of military time to write by the casa there s also the book international book fast starting on saturday and i think it s the end you know the full festivals as a right going all along i mean the scottish capital is awash with culture and i mean it could drive in it i think it s one of the fun so it s a mecca to play for you personally like you was. all been very reluctant to death great to have you on the program. that s it from robin metz my cousin just going for me on the thought she would do stay with me because 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Chris Hayes discusses the day s top news. sam nunberg s public meltdown after receiving a subpoena in march. he was implicit. he did not want to incriminate his mentor. roger stone is like my father. i am not going to go in there for them to set up a case against roger. after all that nunberg did testify with the grand jury. ultimately, mueller wants to indict roger. i think this indictment, he is going to have a sexy charge, conspiracy to defraud. my opinion as i said to you, roger conspired against himself and not the russians. mueller s team has continued to subpoena witnesses linked to stone. kristin davis appeared before the grand jury just this afternoon. stone associate randy. stone is the vivid mentioned. quote on or about august 15 the conspirators posing as guccifer 2 .0. there is other evidence that stone could have colluded with agents including his own claim of having been in touch with wikileaks. in regard to the october surprise, what is your point on that. and every reason to expect the d.c. circuit to affirm her on that. and this is at the end of the day, a lot of stern and drang with an order for him to appear before the grand jury. who is andrew miller and what is his role in the stone operation? well, sort of like nunberg and michael kaputo before him, started as a driver. he worked on a lot of campaigns with him including being a campaign manager for kristin davis run. so you know he has basically been roger s body man and his right hand for about over ten years. so close to him. like a very close associate. subpoenas, it is a good sign that prosecutors are interested in you. particularly if they mention you specifically in an indictment with having been in contact with a foreign intelligence operation posing as a romanian hacker. it is a good rule of thumb. it is a good rule of them, and you know, i think, you know, one way or another, they are looking at something serious about roger stone and that seems to be coming to a head. so they are using this collaterally to attack the investigation itself. you know, stone has said that he knows he is going it be or he thinks he is going to be indicted and he is preparing for it. he has had a falling out with nunberg, how do you think he is preparing himself for this? well, he certainly doesn t seem worried but that is kind of within his m.o. but i mean, they are certainly closing in on him even with kristin davis testifying to the grand jury shortly after she was interviewed by mueller, i think, you know, clear indication that they are looking to bring charges against him and similar to manafort, might be unrelated to russian hacking or collusion. and it could be something in his past and that is what andrew miller might know about. davis and he are quite close. sure. was she around when you were filming the film? the film before the film if you will, we followed her before her run when she was running against eliot spitzer. the campaign fizzled out because she got ensnared? the fbi sting and was arrested for selling prescription drugs. and she didn t get out of prison until may of 2016. so her knowledge for working for roger. whereas andrew miller was brought back into the fold around the time of the rnc, with roger in cleveland and working for him the months after that are in question ben, one thing that is striking is you have mueller having referred some cases. a number of folks that work in d.c. that aren t paul manafort to u.s. attorneys. referred out the michael cohen matter. this has not referred out. that is right and the reason for that is pretty clear which is if you look at the gru, the hacking indictment, the link to roger stone is the collusion stuff. and the heart of the mueller investigation is the question of coordination between the russian for more in the legal jeopardy. joined by mimi rocah. broad you are assault on the mueller investigation. here is what he had to say. in order to appeal, judge howell s decision, challenging, have to have a contempt order. this is a major precedent set in the case. serious constitutional issues on the appointment clause. they already tried once with the district court. they tried to say, filed saying he is not improperly appointed. now they are trying to escalate. i think twice actually, i believe judge ellis. every reason to think on appeal they are going to get the ruling by the judge will be affirmed. but you know, as ben said, this is the way to challenge it if they want to get it up on appeal. and you know, it is risky in the sense that if they lose that, he has to then either go to the grand jury or go to jail. they don t have to, but the judge has every right to do that. i had many cases in the district court where i was involved in usually organized crime cases where they didn t want to go to the grand jury because it is against their religion i guess. and they were put in jail. and you could be put in jail until you agree to testify or you know, i think there is a maximum of two years that you ar loued to be in jail. he says i don t know anything about collusion or obstruction, i don t know why they want to talk to me. but at the same time he says but if i do get forced to testify, i am going to take the fifth. this is kind of hail mary pass. chris, on the off chance that this is successful, the whole mueller investigation is done. it is a wrap. this isn t only about roger miller, this is about whether mueller has the constitutional authority to do this investigation. that s a great point. the argument they are making is an existential assault on mueller s authority. saying it is violation of the constitutional appointment clause to create this body. it is violation of the constitution. and it would probably go to the supreme court. it would get rid of the whole thing yes. it could be the straw that stroke the camel s back or one of those saying. bad for the mueller investigation. but again, we can go down that road. you think it is unlikely. unlikely given this statute was written with concerns in mind about the watergate special counsel. so things written it like the main one being he has to report to the deputy attorney general. and so i think that you know, as the judge said in this case, these are good questions to raise, but no. right. and i think that is where we are with this. i want to ask you about a surreal moment that happened today. sean hannity has a radio show. and the president s attorneys took it over. flynn is the example. no crime. if it had been said, the president said go easy on him. which the president says he didn t say stop it, don t do it. so no crime. however, it didn t take place according it the president. according to comey, it did. of course if it did, it wouldn t have mattered. but you are right. two recollection of a meeting. have you ever in your life seen something like this? no. this is stunning. this act of what they did. they took over a radio show to make arguments on behalf of their client. they took calls. i think giuliani has been skirting the line and in my opinion, has now gone over the line of violating the rules of professional conduct as a lawyer. and i don t know the exact process of who or where that complaint gets filed. but i wouldn t be surprised if somebody did. chris, these guys i was going to say. this is a different proceeding. there is a trial going on now and going to be others and that is clearly what they are doing, poison the well of the american public jury pool. and these guys, they don t need to be on tv. they need to be preparing him for whatever eventuality. he is running scared and that is related to the first part of the segment, roger stone. act one was this indictment of the russians for hacking the e-mail. and act two potentially is the indictment of roger stone. act three is going to be dramatic if it happens. well, and let me say this. they understand, giuliani has said this. he views this as entirely a political proceeding and not a legal one. so he is doing something that is outside the bounds of legal procedure. he is saying that, he is a lawyer. he still needs to abide by the rules. thank you for joining me. testimony about manafort s action while serving in the trump campaign. that story in two minutes. this isn t just any moving day. resigned to dangle possible jobs in the trump administration to a bank ceo over a month long process to get millions of dollars in bank loans. dennis raico testified in court under grant of immunity the bank ceo stephen calk. bank ceo was hoping for treasury secretary or hud secretary or secretary of the army. rick gates testified that he was trying to get him the job. manafort got two different loans from that bank totaling $16 million. for more on today s testimony, joined by elie honig. calk seems to be working with manafort and others. so that is the bank fraud charge. what is not charged but springs to mind could be bribery. talking about this outrageous cabinet position. delivering this enormous loan to manafort. why did manafort take this job for no pay at a strange time. just washed out of his ukrainian business. manafort joins the campaign march 29, 2016. in may, they have dinner. he has dinner with the bank ceo. in july they video conference. august 3rd, manafort asks for calk resume. november 11 calk believes he might be up for job. no legitimate explanation. it ties together. and tells you a story as to why he would have come in as campaign manager. this trial has to do with manafort s activities largely before he enters trump s orbit. but here he is using that position in a corrupt way allegedly. using his proximity of power. and it is the closest we have come to the actual administration in the campaign. and this is the key turning point in the time line. living large, has his crazy wardrobe, his landscaping. his business goes busts and then lying to the bank because he has got to maintain this lifestyle. he outright lied, doctored documents. one theme of the trump era is grifters grifting grifters. everybody is lying. there is a book out which seems to be in that theme. you have paul manafort telling this dude that he is trying to roll for a loan. you might be up for secretary. we say, it is grifters grifting grifters. you can t flip, you can t get into a closed secretive criminal organization without some grifter walking you through it. so, you take a page right out of the southern district closing play book. what i find amazing is manafort pulls off the grift. at the end of the day manafort walk the out with $16 million and calk doesn t end up with a job. and compare it to gates. the defense is it was all gates. but look at the money. manafort makes ten times what gates makes. thank you for your time. still to come, laura ingram afraid of massive demographic change. and a reform white supremacist on how he broke away from the hate movement next. it has been one year since white supremacist gathered in charlottesville, virginia chanting jews will not replace us. to protest the proposed removal of the statue. our own trymaine lee . what did you find? i really wanted to better understand the deep connections to these monument. i headed down south and we talked to folks in the community where these monuments exist. we learned a lot. if we learned everything at all, it was never about a monument at all. would you mind spelling your first and last name for us. first name gordon. last name cotton. just like you pick. is it time for us to move forward? no. if we move forward on this, we will leave everything out of our history. are we going to be selective if what we are going to keep and what we are going to forget. what about the idea that these men were fighting to maintain this system of slavery. they were fighting because our homes were invaded. and the whole thing based on money. going back to charlottesville. someone was killed, someone was shot at. someone beaten up. does it surprise you when somebody is that virulent in their support in robert e. lee and the rest. they are not the ones that started. had the people not wanted to tear down a beautiful monument it would not happened. perhaps it could be moved to somewhere where it is respected. i disagree with you. it happened here. we commemorate it here. what do you think of jefferson davis? he is my hero. he was someone who supported the expansion of slavery. he wasn t the only one. i think growing up in this community seven miles from briarfield, going to a school name jefferson davis, they will never destroy the man. stone ghosts. much more on the state of the union 1 year after charlottesville after this. i think there is blame on both sides. you look at both sides, i think there is blame on both sides and i have no doubt about it. and you don t have any doubt about it either. charlottesville, virginia preparing for the one year anniversary for the white supremacist rallies leaving one person dead. here a former white supremacist working to separate people from that moment. a documentary about his journey breaking hate airs sunday on msnbc. my question to you is whether charlottesville was a kind of victory for that movement or a defeat. i think it was a victory because any sort of publicity they consider good for them. they go to progressive areas like charlottesville or even berkeley. they are trying to provoke people and we are still talking about it a year later. unfortunately heather higher was killed because of that and they are threatening to come back. and done for decades. i used to do it years ago. we used to march and did this same exact thing. one of the thing that comes through is it is not an accident that those folks who are out in the streets in charlottesville, continuity between the ideology between this is someone we should memorialize. it is ahistorical. it is hard to go anywhere in the south, their schools are named for robert e. lee. the idea that you are fighting for virtue. whether you want to keep the brown people across the border. you can t separate the roots of the trees from the leaves. you were from north. you were from chicago and got into this movement. and one of the people in the a.c. thompson document was a ucla grad school working for northrop grumman. it is not about ideology. the pre radicalization starts early for that. it is about a search for identity, community and purpose. if we hit what i call potholes in our journey of life, sometimes it detours us. and there is a savvy recruiter waiting for a vulnerable people. we would stand outside of a punk rock concert to do that. today it is the internet that is that punk rock concert. so many people online that can live there. does it help recruiting to have a president of the united states who says, you know, there were blame on both sides. right. who, you know, uses all sorts of tropes of white supremacy and racist language and behind the scenes calls african countries s-hole countries. does it help the movement? absolutely. 30 years ago we recognized the language we were using was putting off the average american white racist. so we were going to massage the language. go from boots to suits which david duke did in the early 90s. that is the m.o. they are trying to massage this and normalize it. and unfortunately it worked. and the president is absolutely enabling that. one of the things heather hyer s mother and father living with the aftermath of white supremacist. you memorialize in your reporting. i want to play this bit in the documentary. where you talked to a woman about her father who was lynched. take a listen. when you think about what you missed not having him. my mom went from prosperity to poverty almost overnight. sometimes i wonder what my life could have been had he lived. what my life could have been. think being the mourning and trauma of those folks down through the years and in charlottesville right now as they prepare to commemorate this one year. you see the battle flag, you see the statues around every corner. but sending a clear message. to those misguided, those lost who are seeking identity and find their identity in their whiteness. it is actionable. ultimately at the end of the day, it ends up being about racial terror. on the other side of it, so often from, we go from the lynch memorial in montgomery, alabama. and you see 4,000 names. the many more who have been dumped in shallow graves. question about how to deal with what seems in white supremacist, white national rhetoric. channeled in less and less disguised fashion. question about persuasion and arguing. can you argue with this ideology or must you defeat it. how do you think about it. that is a question on everybody s mind right now. we can have these conversations without enabling the ideology. without endorsing it when we do that. the work that i do is based on empathy. so i sit across from white supremacists almost every day or talk to them because my goal is try to enlighten them not through a debate in ideology, but through humanization. i try to destroy the demonization that is happening in their head by introducing them to the people they hate. and that is a powerful thing for people. does that work? absolutely it works. it has worked over 200 times. helping people to disengage from hate groups. every single one of them will tell you it is the compassion that they received from the people they thought that they hated. that changed their mind. thank you. breaking hate, is this sunday 9:00 p.m. eastern. two years ago she was forcefully removed from a trump speech and tonight she is my guest after winning democratic primary for congress. tonight s thing one, thing two starts next. biggest electoral margin. so why should americans trust you. i was given that information. i was just given. we had a very, very big margin. i was given that information. i have seen that information around. but it was a very substantial victory. do you agree with that? donald trump is given all sorts of information. where he claims his approval rating is 90% without mentioning it is just republicans. actually, president s bush, reagan, nixon, were popular, at one point in the other. and there was no gallup polling during the civil war. the president s fuzzy grasp runs in the family. numbers that seem too good to be true. numbers that appear to be altered. and that is thing two in 60 seconds. don jr. took down the post this afternoon. but hey, he was just given that information. i was given that information. actually, i have seen that information around. but a very substantial victory. do you agree with that? 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i think i focused on the human contact. when you look at people in the face, in the eyes, on their porch. i think it changed people s minds and hearts. they were able to engage me and see that i really do want to elevate them and help them thrive and i believe it is because of that aggressive center door to door. the district is 57% african-american. and amidst this african-american about diversity and representation, you find yourself in a position where you have your own interesting representational role. how do you think about it? i think about it because i grew up in a community predominantly african-american. it is so much in line with the needs and the priorities for my families in the 13th congressional district. i don t think it is so far that i m not african-american. i can tell you that i ll surround myself with a lot of people with that lens of growing up african-american. there is a lot of discussion around the connection and trauma sometimes. i recognize that and honor that. you have agendas or positions that are similar to people more to the left. abolish i.c.e., medicare for all, tuition free college. what do you say to people, people like yourself are feeding republicans a kind of useful caricature of the terrifying socialists who are coming to scare away middle america. we re not scaring anybody away. we re like the mama bears of the delegation about to come. it s. true i don t think you will find any women, especially women of color, that doesn t want to take care of their constituency. doesn t put them at the heart of what they perceive, as they move forward. we ll be able to help every person live in a free, just society. i am excited with exposing who i am as not only a detroiter, a democrat, a progressive, as a woman, to so many people across the country. not just in the 13th congressional district. people should not be afraid us. we are an incredible breed and i can t wait to work with them. to get elected this coming tuesday. i want to walk hand in hand with these beautiful women that the heart that we need in congress. it is something completely missing in the culture. right now president in the u.s. congress. do you think differentfully what your heart and job will be? the odds of you winning are overwhelming at this point, should you actually enter congress, which is likely, the difference between being a member and a minority member? i am a former michigan state legislator. i worked in the majority and the minority and i know this is bigger. if your work and the issues around your constituency, your district, if your center is them, then you ll be able to be effective. i was able to do so much more in the minority in bringing resources back to my community. i had a neighborhood service center in the heart of my district and i ll continue to do that in congress. it keeps me grounded and focussed and it help me bring resources to my families. so they re not waiting. all the things that are really critical to work. on it are not me getting connected. that doesn t even imagine for the majority or minority. thank you for spending some time with us. thank you for having me. this is your friendly friday reminder. our podcast, why is this