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Their speeches, they we are light about races and at kumbaya and then do you hear more charges anger and i think that joe biden just doesn't have that. he has all of the trappings of an old white man and it allows him to legislate and he said we can't do this now and not face ire at every turn. >> it is such an interesting dynamic to watch. >> a fast plug. my paper in the journal both have great weekend stories about tulsa and about what happens there 100 years ago. check them out. >> right here, phil. >> one quick thing. another important issue going on and it falls into this prism from presi...

Very important fact witnesses from the white house who have direct knowledge of the impeachment charges that are being made against the president. >> as you know, some of the witnesses that the president himself has referred to include former vice president biden, hunter biden. if mitch mcconnell does acquiesce and does say, yes, we're going to have witnesses, if there is a push for the bidens, are they fair game? >> so as you know, the biden issue is a total red herring. it's been well documented that there is no truth to the allegations, and i haven't heard any republican senators talk about...

Witnesses. there were witnesses in the clinton trial. there were three deposition trial. there were three in the previous trial, andrew johnson. there's no reason why senator mitch mcconnell can't tell us up front that he's going to agree to call these very important fact witnesses from the white house who have direct knowledge of the impeachment charges made against the president. >> some of the witnesses the president has treefrd is former vice president biden and hunter biden. if mitch mccouple acquiesces, if there is a push for the bidens, are they fair game? >> so as you know, the biden i...

Announce special attention should be paid to interference in the u.s. ukraine is trying to say something that sounded okay. and on the right side this is what, according to the new intel report giuliani added in, in bold you see the burisma/biden issue. it had to say burisma and the 2016 elections. we rely on you and our other panelists as well. i have not seen something that direct and damning that shows rudy giuliani and donald trump are trying to ghost write for the ukrainians what the investigations are. it has to have the b words, biden and burisma. >> uh-huh. >> those side-by-side change...

This biden issue, and he's sort of surprised by it. and in the lutsenko telling, the reason why the contracts are never executed is because he is offended by the idea that he, the top prosecutor of ukraine, should have to pay money to get meetings with u.s. officials, which is what he claims he wanted. now, i'm not vouching for that account. >> but that's what he says. >> an interesting difference from the giuliani account, which is that he decided it was ultimately too complicated and decided not to pursue this. lutsenko said it was his side that decided he shouldn't pay money for this. >> lu...