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we are four minutes in, "this is going to be amazing". the rest is history. that was it. there was only way we could readily wrap this up and i will be honest. she didn't always get the outro right but there were a couple of occasions she did so we will give the last word to our debs. thank you guys for listening. remember, you can contact us on all forms of social media by using the hashtag #youmebigc. if you could write a review, leave a rating and spread the word about this podcast, we'd really appreciate it. thank you to everybody who has done so far. goodbye. ijust nailed i just nailed that ijust nailed that in one! sorry, that was really loud. i never do that! ever! applause thank you for downloading that you, me and the big c podcast. don't forget to subscribe or get more great podcasts from five live.
for 5 live called losing mum which dealt with how children deal with that and what should happen and what didn't, and rachael had the idea for the podcast at the same time, so it was symbiotic — i talked to her, she talked to me, and that is the way it went, and she educated me beyond all belief about talking honestly about cancer, i would say things on air and she would glare at me, you know that! i was her radio husband and i only got half of it. she could deal with situations, rachael, and what you have done, you three and four, is just absolutely incredible. i feel it is like i said to you earlier, steve, it is like rachael said "marvel avengers assemble!" i have a similar story, my mum's mum died before i was born, and the family didn't know until a week or two before she died he was ill, and to think, you know, in not that long we've come to the point where people are giving up their wednesday
like, forever, so i think it's the teacher aspect that - would make her want to dig into more i or learn more and kind of make surel everyone else was coming along with the journey with her. - you know, from a — _ when we were kids, i remember we were actually watching some videos the other day of kind - of the gymnastics and stuff - and she'd always kind ofjust try new things and just do it, basically, and kind - of force us in, you know? could we talk a little bit about, you know, fast forward to the rubbish stuff, the cancer stuff. like, what — when did she first articulate to you guys that she wanted to create bowelbabe? and what were your reactions? were you, like, all for it or were you a bit like, "oh god"? i think itjust happened. yeah, to be fair, i think| when you're really close to something, you kinda forget that it's going on — so, to be honest, you kind of — it wasn't until really this — - well, last year, that kind of things — you realise yourself the impact, | like, yourselves, the podcast and what debs' engagementl was really like. i think to me, she kind of wasjust using it as good outpost _ and engagement with the community but i'm not one for very good social. media, so you don't really geti
i turned to you and ijust — we were four minutes in, i remember looking at the clock, i was like, "we're four minutes in, al. "this is going to be amazing." the rest is history. that was it. well, there's only one way that we could really wrap this up, and i'll be honest — she didn't always get the outro right. laughter. but there were a couple of occasions that she did, so we're gonna give the last word to our deb. thank you guys for listening. remember, you can contact us on all forms of social media . by using the hashtag #youmebigc. if you could write a review, leave a rating and spread l the word about this podcast, we'd really appreciate it. - thank you to everybody who has done so far. i goodbye! bye! ijust nailed that! in one! sorry, that was really loud. i never do that! ever! cheering and applause. thanks for downloading the you, me and the big c podcast. - don't forget to click subscribe. or get more great podcasts from five live at bbc.co.uk/podcasts. five live at bbc.co.uk/podcasts.
but we have covered a load of topics and you might find them helpful, or a loved one, might find them helpful, we spoke to all sorts of incredible people, you can find it where you get your podcast, we tonight we are joined by actress victoria. you may recognise her from coronation street. since her diagnosis of breast cancer in 2021, our wonderful victoria has opened up about her experience of breast cancer and the importance of breast health. we have a man who needs no introduction to us, but he might need an introduction to you, one of our favourite oncologists. dr sasha howell. sasha, you have been a friend of the podcast for a long time because you treated our rachael. yes i was involved with the team that treated rachael. i was talking to steve before
and kind of make sure everyone else was coming along. with the journey with her. you know, from a — _ when we were kids, i remember we were actually watching some videos the other day of kind - of the gymnastics and stuff. and she'd always kind ofjust try new things and just do it, | basically, and kind of force us in, you know? could we talk a little bit about, you know, fast forward to the rubbish stuff, the cancer stuff. like, what — when did she first articulate to you guys that she wanted to create bowelbabe? and what were your reactions? were you, like, all for it or were you a bit like, "oh god"? i think itjust happened. yeah, to be fair, i think| when you're really close to something, you kindaj forget that it's going on. so, to be honest, you kind of — it wasn't until really this — - well, last year, that kind of things — you realise i yourself the impact, like, yourselves, the podcast i and what debs' engagement was really like. _ i think to me, she kind - of was just using it as good outpost and engagement - with the community but i'm not one for very good social media, so you don't really get - the kind of impact that she has when you're just kind -
like, you're on the bbc, you've done this for years — like, what's it been like watching this pod develop and grow? because i know when we started it, we just didn't have a plan. we just wanted to do well. but obviously, we came in as little fledgling ducklings. it — i mean, me and you, we'd — i'd done a call with you guys and it was — you just got in the studio and it was meant to be a pilot and you got up off the train and you were — and it was like, it was weird. it was like we knew you, as soon as you came in. and debs was going mad about something and you were going mad about debs because of something. probably you were both late for the train, i can't remember. sounds like debs. and this is the god's honest truth, and i've done a lot of pods and there's — a couple of them have been really, really successful — a few of them, actually! — not sorry, but! laughter. al right! all right! but i've sat — i've only ever sat in a studio and known that a podcast was going to be brilliant.
and what didn't happen then, and rachael had the idea for the podcast at the same time, so it was all kind of symbiotic. i talked to her, she talked to me, and that's the way it went, really, and she educated me beyond all belief about talking honestly about cancer. i'd say things on air and she'd glare at me — i mean, you know that! i was her radio husband and i only got half of it. laughter. but she could deal with situations, rachael, and she's — what you've done, you three and four, is just absolutely incredible, i feel. i said to you earlier, steve, it's like rachaeljust suddenly said, "marvel avengers assemble!" and she's got together the best cast... it's incredible, isn't it? because if you look at the jump from — i've got a kind of similar story. my mum's mum died before i was born and the family didn't know until a week or two before she died that she was even ill. and to think, you know, in not actually that long, we've come to the point where people are giving up their wednesday evening to come and hear us talk about cancer. yeah. it feels a big jump, that, isn't it?
and posing on the toilet. and of course she has danced her way through chemotherapy with a not—so—secret ambition to be invited on strictly come dancing. deborah has been an inspiration, the lives that she has saved, is saving, will continue to save, _ is nothing short of incredible. hello and welcome to you and me and the big c. she's never shied away from the grimmer realities especially on the you me and the big c podcast. crying's not what we need right now. funny at times but also raw, honest and frank. when rachel died in 2018 deborah paid tribute to her friend. what she is shown is that she has lived and she has lived absolutely a worthwhile, purposeful, amazing life that's had an impact on so many people.