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Democrats. neil: bill clinton s svengali, mark penn saying on two very big issues maybe democrats sort of stretched their luck here. not only on pushing government shut down over daca, immigration reform, but even on the tax cut thing. every one of them voting against it when numbers seemed to be showing the support for them and maybe anticipation for those have been rising. we should have a vote very shortly. bob cusack is with us. patrice, what do you make of what mr. penn was saying, that, you know, democrats might have fumbled on these two key issues? i think he s absolutely right. if you read the progressive headlines this afternoon, they re saying democrats caved on principle. they re taking a lashing from their base for that. you know, there s a vigil for ....