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(dogs barking) the old one s just fine! we ll do anything, seriously anything, to help our customers. thanks. ally. do it right. tonight, they prepare to go before congress and the country. no matter what happens this moment will change our nation s politics. later on, roz roderosenstein. was he being sarcastic. first, negotiation after negotiation. shifting the judiciary committee on thursday at 10:00 a.m. i, of course, will be there too. some of the details about this hearing have been worked out. the hearing will be open and dr. ford will testify first. democratic senators will ask questions. but important factors are so far unresolved. like how much time will be allowed for those questions. and then there s the matter of whether republican senators themselves or perhaps their staffers or an outside counsel will do the questioning. this is important in part because all the republicans on the committee are men. at the same time, judge kavanaugh is calling the allegations completely false, saying he s never done anything like what the accuser describes to her or to anyone. the white house says three people identified by dr. ford as being at the party where all of this happened say they have no memory of either of incident or the party where it was said to have happened. and then there s the politics. there was a shift this week in tone from republicans from let s hear everyone out to full speed ahead. judge brett kavanaugh is a man of integrity. brett kavanaugh, fantastic man. a stunningly successful individual. it s going to happen. it s going to happen. we re going to plow right through it and do our job. and i believe that judge brett kavanaugh will soon be justice brett kavanaugh and take his seat on the supreme court. it s worth mentioning that senate democrats are still pushing for an fbi investigation before the hearing gets under way. with that, i want to welcome in my panel this evening. with me onset, political analyst and fornler chairman of the rnc, michael steele. washington correspondent and msnbc contributor, catty kay. joining me from nashville, contributor and the author of the soul of america, mr. john mitch mitchum. thank you all for being here. i m going to start with you, john. i want to talk about the arc of history. we have this set date and time a moment that, regardless of the outcome, seems sure to end up in our history books. that christine blasey ford is a name that we ll remember alongside anita hill, for example. i m wondering what do you think has changed in the decades since anita hill went before the committee and what does it say about us as a country? well, precious little has changed since 1991. i think that the kavanaugh drama and the thomas drama are ch chapters this a story that goes back to the middle of the 1950s. it s when president eisenhower, the first republican president in 20 years, imagine that. first republican president in 20 years appoints warren to be chief justice of the court. the warren court does remarkably historic rulings on integration. on sectarian school prayer. republicans are living to some extent with kind of cultural memory that republican presidents have not always delivered on the conservative agenda that the base believed they might deliver on. so if 1962 with the school prayer decision happened. it was a nixon appointee, harry blackman who wrote the roe decision. the first 1990, the first justice, that george h.w. bush appointed was david suitor seen as a stalking horse, not conservative enough. what you re seeing with the passion of the quotations you just showed, part of what s driving trump and pence and mcconnell is this republican insistence that every seat must be ideologically pure. it goes way back, it s deep in the dna and the supreme court which for much of our history has been political, unquestionably it s political. but it s become polarized now. that s the inflection point we re seeing now. very interesting. some republicans on the committee have muted expectations about what may come from thursday s hearing. here s senator lindsey graham. doesn t know anything that dr. ford could say that would persuade you to vote against kavanaugh s nomination, honestly? i would listen to her. but i m being honest with you and everybody else. what am i supposed to do? go ahead and ruin this guy s life based on an accusation, i don t know when it happened, i don t know where it happened and everybody named in regard to being there said it didn t happen. i m just being honest. she should come forward, she should have her say. she ll be respectfully treated. what did you expect us to do with an anonymous letter to begin with. what do you expect somebody to do with an accusation this big not verified in any way. bring it forward, i will listen. but i m not going to play a game and tell you this will wipe out his entire life because if nothing changes it won t with me. so perhaps, michael steele setting aside that anybody could be entitled to a supreme court seat. he s had a distinguished life on the bench. what do you make of lindsey graham s response? i think long and short, every republican should keep their mouths shut between now and thursday. the better part of valor is to be quiet and say nothing. every time they do, they make the situation worse. it is very clear from the very beginning of this, this had been the outcome has been pre judged. if that s not true, in fact, it is absolutely true in perception. the american people looking at this, particularly women looking at this are feeling and getting the sense that no matter how you work the machinations in the process, you use that as your excuse, your kuj ol, whatever you want. they re saying come thursday, the imagery of this woman sitting there in this panel of white men looking down on her and prying into an affair incident that happen very personal incident. the personal incidents given their already public statements makes for a very untenable situation. i understand that they ve got to answer the question. but i think at this point it s best to say i plan to hear her out and move on. every time they open their mouth, it goes a little further south. catty kay, there will be a difference in that there will be four women on the panel which we didn t have before. they re looking for anybody but their republican senators asking the questions. that is one of the things that changed since 1991 in anita hill and the conversation is out in the open. we have now had more women talking about incidents like this and more men being found to be guilty of incidents like this in the public and so women are believed more than they used to be. now, that doesn t mean this incident happened. it doesn t mean that brett kavanaugh is guilty. it means that the shifting since 1991 is we assume she s not telling the truth. let s give her a fair hearing because she may well be telling the truth because we know now that a lot of women have come because within nanoseconds, a new movement of why i didn t report this. because women are saying, actually, no, mr. president, it can happen to me. that does not mean i reported it at the time. based on what lindsey graham said and sort of everything we know or our knowledge of what we don t know about this, do you think there s anyway that this hearing could change the outcome? it doesn t seem to me like senators on the republican side are open to having their minds changed particularly. i think that raises the issue of why we should be having an fbi investigation. i ve spoken to members of the fbi who said absolutely, we could investigate this. would it be dispositive, we don t know that. but there are certainly things we could do. we could talk to judge mark judge. we could ask him those questions and go through her yearbook and his yearbook. there are things that could be done if we really wanted to get to the bottom of what happened and find out whether she s telling the truth, whether her memory serves her correctly or whether he is telling the truth and those steps are not being taken. let s bring in democratic member of the senate judiciary committee, senator chris coons of delaware. thanks for taking the time to be on the show tonight. thank you, kasie. let s start with the plan that late last week started to crystallize where republicans senators don t seem to want to be doing a lot of the questioning directly themselves. they inted, want to bring in an outside counsel or have their staff do it. it s been my sources told me is because they want women asking questions of dr. ford. what s your take on this plan from the republican side? kasie, i think our goal as the senate judiciary committee ought to be to show that we ve learned something from the decades when anita hill was questioned by the yooud committee f my republicans degrees don t think they can handle the challenge of respecting dr. ford and questioning her in an appropriate and supportive way, then perhaps they shouldn t be serving on the committee. this is the kind of role that senators shouldn t be outsourci outsourcing. if they don t like the optics of having a group of all white men on the republican side of the judiciary committee of grilling dr. ford, perhaps they should reconsider their questioning style and consider that we could have offered to dr. ford an appropriate hearing by including an fbi background check, by inviting or compelling mark judge to testify, by bringing in the former fbi agent who administered a lie detector test to dr. ford that she passed or by calling in front of the committee expert witnesses on the dynamics of sexual assault and how it affects memory. any of those steps would have improved the quality and the even handedness of this hearing. instead, the republican majority rejected all of them. have you made up your mind about who you think is telling the truth here? i have made up my mind that i m voting against judge cave kna kavanaugh. i focused on presidential power concerns which are well outside the mainstream. i also believe dr. ford. i think we should have a hearing where it s possible for her to have a respectful opportunity to present her allegations. but i think there are a few members of both sides, republican and democrat, where who they believe this week will make the difference in how they vote. so you do think that in the case of perhaps susan collins or lisa murkowski, this hearing could make a difference to the outcome of the confirmation? i do. so the wall street journal editorial board put out this op-ed piece about what it seems to be a lack of due process afforded to kavanaugh by the democrats. the democratic standard for sexual assault allegations is they should be accepted as true merely for being made. the accuser is assumed to be telling the truth because the accuser is a woman. the burden is on mr. kavanaugh to prove his innocence. if he is unable to do so, he is this turns american justice and due process upside down. we have an outspoken advocate of dr. ford s and play how she responded to the right to the presumption of innocence during an interview she did this morning. take a look. i put his denial in the context of everything that i know about him in terms of how he approaches his cases. as i said, his credibility is already very questionable. it is so important that there be at least an investigation so there s some effort at collaboration. as far as his friend, mark judge, not even testifying, that is astounding to me. what do you think, senator coops, is the due process obligation and sort of presumption of innocence standard that should be applied to judge kavanaugh in this case? obviously, this is not actually a criminal prosecution. right. it is important for all of us to remember in how we prepare ourselves for this session of the judiciary committee and how we talk about this that dr. ford is not on trial. there are, if we have reasonable estimates of the number of victims of sexual assault in the country, there would be hundreds of thousands of victims of sexual assault who will be watching these hearings closely. if she is put on trial, it will discourage so many others from ever coming forward with their stories in other settings to challenge the conduct of other assault perpetrators, men or women. they are mostly perpetrated by men. i do think it s important that judge kavanaugh be given a fair and reasonable opportunity to bring his side of the story forward. but frankly, what would have made this into a more fair and appropriate confirmation hearing was to do what we do with all nominees for a lifetime seat on a federal court, whether the supreme court or other court, which is to have the fbi do an expanded background investigation. every single nominee who comes in front of the judiciary committee has had to clear a background check. i ll remind you, it s judge kavanaugh who is seeking a lifetime appoint. not dr. ford who is seeking to charge him in a court of law. frankly, the standard here is what senators find compelling and what we ought to be considering is as broad a range of evidence and insight and advice from experts as is possible. senator, to that point, the washington post reports that democratic staff have been researching the broader culture of the prep academy world in which kavanaugh lived. they re reading the writings of mark judge, the kavanaugh friend who ford said was in the room. they plan to grill kavanaugh on the controversial twitter thread from ed whalen that you may have seen. i m wondering, which line of questioning do you intend to pursue in this hearing and do you think those reported ones would be fruitful? i m preparing with my team a number of different lines of questioning. you know, one of our challenges is going to be with 21 members of the judiciary committee. there s lots of different potential lines of questioning and so given that i m not the most senior democrat, i ll have to be prepared to follow-up with additional questions depending on how other senators have questioned. i m concerned about judge kavanaugh s truthfulness given the ways in which he declined to answer or avoided answering a number of my direct questions. we met in my office privately first and i told him my areas of concern is jurs prudence. then i sent him a public letter telling him what i would be questioning him on the haeearin. i questioned him in his confirmation hearing and i sent him written questions in a letter of follow-up. i felt that on several critical points in particular around his extreme view of presidential power that judge kavanaugh was not forthcoming with me and did not defend a number of his more extreme positions. do you think he lied to you? those exchanges? i wouldn t put it that directly in my questioning of him. i d say that he shaded or avoided answering or changed the subject or cited other jurists to avoid having a direct conversation. i would have far preferred he directly defend his views. i think they can be defended but from a different perspective from mine and from a perspective that is outside the mainstream of american jurs prudence. senator chris coons of delaware. thank you. we ll be watching and i m sure i ll be chasing you down the hallway with a microphone at some point this wake. thank you, kasie. jon meacham, i want to go to you. if you are a senator sitting on this committee, you have to be thinking about what you re going to do this week with an eye toward history. you know, it s the margaret j. smith principle. the republican senator from maine, susan collins, call your office. very early on, within a matter of months after joe mccarthy launched his campaign seeking communists in the government, stood up and gave a speech called the declaration of conscience. laying out exactly what the case against mccarthy would become. only six senators joined her. mccarthy dismissed her as snow white and the six dwarves. yet four years later, it took the men four years to catch up shall the senate censures mccarthy on almost the same grounds that senator smith laid out. the thing i say to folks on few occasions when they ask. we ask you a lot. what do you want us it s actually effective. what i ll say is what do you want us to think about when we look at your oil portrait. they can t imagine a world where we re not staring at their portrait. that gets through the shell. this is one that people are going to think about for a long time. it s not an appropriations vote. it s not a passing piece of legislation. this is about the character of the country. it s really down to three or four senators. that s what we re talking about here. we re talking about senator collins and murkowski and senator corker from my state who is not facing the voters again. so what they have to do is decide, is this someone they want on the supreme court in light of all these circumstances? jon meacham s questions to all of you. what do you want people to look at when they see your oil painting? we ve got much more to come. we ll talk about how all of this could impact our elections this year and for years to come. plus, he haven t scratched the surface of the rod rosenstein story which could have its own questions in the kavanaugh confirmation. as we go to break, if a picture is worth a thousand words, take a look at this one. the associated press caption reads, senator lisa murkowski reacts to a question from a reporter on the subway as she responds to questions about supreme court nominee, brett kavanaugh. clearly, doesn t want to be thinking about this. kasie d.c. back after this. uh. i didn t believe it. again. ooh, baby, do you know what that s worth? i want to believe it. [ claps hands ] ooh i m not hearing the confidence. okay, hold the name your price tool. power of options based on your budget! and! we ll make heaven a place on earth yeah! oh, my angels! ooh, heaven is a place on earth [ sobs quietly ] ooh, heaven is a place on earth you wouldn t accept from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don t. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. flonase. need a change of scenery? the kayak price forecast tool tells you whether to wait or book your flight now. so you can be confident you re getting the best price. giddyup! kayak. search one and done. past month kavanaugh s support dropped significantly among women over 50. suburban women and independents. take a look at the striking gender gap on our new generic congressional ballot. 47% of men say they want a republican-controlled congress while 44% prefer democrats in control. women, meanwhile, favor democratic control by a 25-point margin. 58-33. the washington post reports, quote, the moment brings into sharp relief the gulf that has emerged between the two political parties as they navigate america s cultural reckoning on sexual assault. scores of female candidates to midterm elections. by crontrast, trump s agenda an style and the fact that the gop leadership stands in lock step with him mostly, are undoing years of often painstaking work by party leaders to court more female and minority voters. katty, kaye. this is the year of the women. they re mostly democratic women. seems like women mostly on the democratic side are set to vote against this. it seems like it s not irreparable damage but long-term damage. if you look at the numbers in favor of democrats over republicans amongst women, it s hard to see how a party can win long-term with that kind of a gap amongst women voters. the question is still going to be, who actually turns out in november. you can have women saying that. whether they get to the polls and the numbers we expect them to get to the polls is the question. and how many motivated by the kavanaugh hearings, by donald trump on the republican side and look at that same poll, donald trump s own approval numbers barely shifted recently. that s going to be a driving factor on the republican side too. i think that s exactly right. that s what a lot of republicans are counting on, quite honestly. that their turnout model is such that it will offset polls like that. so that gap is a lot narrower. the private polling they show, it s not 22 points or 25 points. it s actually more like 10 or 15. it depends who actually shows up. based on who will actually show up. they ve been dismissive for quite some time now of the sort of groundswell of movement by democratic voters. female, independent types, center left voters. on the bet that, come november, again, those voters will not show up in the numbers. i m just not convinced of that. what s your take, michael, on the i feel like there s been a back and forth about, if kavanaugh s confirmation takes a turn for the worse this week, whether that s helpful or hurtful to the republicans in the midterm elections. some argue that well, that will mean there s no reason to vote republican if they can t get it done. on the other hand, some are arguing that s going to animate our base because they ll care more about this judicial appointment. if that does not get done, they will be so ticked off. to what point? i mean, if you can t get this done, if you can t stand behind this man, a guy that we want, someone on our list, et cetera, why will we then go and show up in november and give you the reins of power to do what? there s a real potential split there with the base if that happens. which is why you hear mcconnell going full steam ahead, we re charging forward, we re pushing this through. if they don t get kavanaugh through, the incentive to keep the senate is that much stronger. they just cannot afford to let the democrats win the senate because then they re not going to get whoever else the president nominates as a conservative. that s a good point. the counter argument to that counter argument, here it is. the democrats, if this fails this week or the next few weeks, all of a sudden the senate is in play for them and that base vote we re talking about really gets amped up and the turnout model changes. interesting. jon memeacham, what does histor tell us about this poll we re seeing where women are abandoning the gop in large numbers? back in 1991, we saw the first year of the woman, dianne feinstein, there was old clips this morning on the sunday shows giving a victory speech back then. is this the kind of thing that has a potentially permanent impact? what are the lessons from history in your head not in mine tell us? well, john tyler, tyler midterms were huge. michael is good on that. and katty is upset because they lost the empire. we can talk about that later. two things happened in the fall of 1991, that began to pre-figure eight years of democratic rule. one were the thomas hearings and the thomas confirmation. it wasn t just the hearings but the fact that they happened. the testimony occurred and justice thomas was confirmed. that s the one. the other was the democratic race, actually i think in your native state, the senate race where harris wofford defeated richard thorn berg in a special race and two guys weren t particularly well-known ran the race on the issue of health care. it was a surprise democratic win in pennsylvania and it should have been a big flashing red light to the george h.w. bush white house, but they didn t pay a whole lot of attention. in many ways those were two of the pearl harbors for republicans heading into 1992. the two midterms, if folks are really have a slow night at home and they want to go online, i think the two that are significant here are 1966 which was a huge check on the great society. it didn t it pre-figured nixon winning in 68. but the other the two things happened in that year. one is 1964 president johnson won in a massive landslide. he said that these were the most hopeful times since christ was born in bethlehem giving you a sense of how johnson saw himself. by 1966 sorry. exactly. hyperbole is not a new thing. the thing that happened very shortly thereafter, 24 months later, you had significant republican gains in the midterms, including the election of a fellow out in california named ronald reagan as governor. in 1994, though that didn t pre-figure a shift in the white house in 1996, it did begin this more tribe lis particular era. the house flipped for the first time in 40 years, massive governorships. i remember the first time i heard someone say george w. bush was going to be president was on the night he beat ann richards, a democratic senator who said watch that space. so interesting. jon meacham, thank you as always going back to tyler, through the 60s. thank you. when we return, we ll have the latest reporting on the new york times bombshell on rod rosenstein that somehow hasn t detonated yesterday. the president has been quiet. the freedom caucus sort of shrugged, what is going on? 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what was the pressure he was under? sure. you have to think back on how chaotic the justice department was in those days. jim comey was fired and rosenstein had been on the job for a couple of weeks. it was his memo about jim comey that was used as a pretext for the firing. so he was a little bit blind sided by the fact that the white house publicly said this is why we re firing jim comey even though the president had other remarks to suggest that there were other motives. he was blind-sided by this. he felt used, he was new on the job and felt like something needed to be done both to deal with the comey firing, deal with the ongoing investigations of the fbi that related to trump and somehow bring order back to the justice department. the purpose of wearing the wire, i mean, as we said, nbc news is reporting said it was sarcastic. the times says it s serious. what s goal of wearing a wire? this is one of the open questions. we don t know exactly why he said he would do that. presumably, it would be because he wanted to go into the white house and find proof that something was amiss. that things were not being handled well or managed well. as you can see from the impromptu firing of jim comey. certainly that s not a well-managed situation and you have to wonder what s going on. we take a step back and look at the stories the times published on friday, we look at the book that came out, omarosa s book that came out, a book, fire and fury, every single one of these accounts from completely different people and sources all say things were not being managed well. or maybe the wire is simply so you don t end up in james comey s shoes and it s your word against the president. amid the conflicting reports about whether rosenstein was joking when he suggested wearing a wire to record the president, we thought it might be useful to show all of you what it looks like when rod rosenstein tells a joke. i announced this new policy here in new york a few weeks ago, i explained that the term piling on refers to a football player jumping on a pile of other football players after the opponent is already i played football about 40 years ago. so i like that metaphor. but last night i learned that the merriam webster dictionary uses a different meaning. it describes piling on as joining other people in criticizing someone, usually in an unfair manner. i also have experience with that. he does seem to stop for the punch line. so presumably others in the room would know he was intentionally making a joke. but katty kay, i found it i ve been a little bit surprised by the lack of reaction so far from caucus members. in fact, if you watched any clips on fox news, they ve actually been arguing to the president that this report is all a setup, he shouldn t do anything, he shouldn t fire anybody. so far the president hasn t made a move. it s quite surprising, noticeable, the number of allies of the president s who have come out, starting with sean hannity, trey gowdy, lindsey graham said hold on, take a breath. this is not a good moment to think about firing rosenstein. i don t know whether it s because the president is listening to sean hannity, but there s a strong feeling amongst conservatives this would not be a good move heading into the midterms. for them to go through this process. the cynic in me can t help i like the cynical version. can t help but think this is all part of an ongoing strategy, not really knowing all the backgrounding on the sources for the times, but i find it curious that this narrative pops up now. the way it pops up. and there is, as everyone in this town pretty much knows, efforts being put in place right now to fire rod rosenstein along with several others once this election is over. ideally after. we know you re chomping at the bit, but like pull back a little bit. put that tweet in the scheduled file. wait until the 10th or 11th of november and then you can have at it. they still don t get that even that action after the election is going to be a big problem for republicans on the hill and for the president. but this is the strategy. to be fair to the times, reporters have been working on this story for more than a year. even though the timing might seem strange right now, it s not that we were just given a file of incriminating information on rod rosenstein six weeks before the election. of course. katie benner, thank you so much. we ll be following your reporting and your colleagues. michael steele, katty kay thanks for being here. the last time the supreme court was former senator max baucus was there for the clarence thomas vote and he talks about how that chapter wo could play out again. to worry about homeowners insurance. could play out again. feeling better? 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i don t think anyone wants to harm miss hill. there are a lot of inconsistencies in her statement, in her various statements and a lot of things that could be played out. but i think most of us feel sorry for her. i think she s been badly used. joining me now is former democratic senator max baucus of montana. he served in the senate during the confirmation of justice clarence thomas. senator baucus, great to see you again. thanks for being on the show tonight. i think i want to start. you bet. by asking you what do you remember about that time? what was it like to be in the halls of the senate? what were the conversations like? democrats actually controlled the chamber at the time and frankly, what ultimately happened didn t really age very well. no, it didn t. it was very awkward, obviously, and just very difficult. anita hill made very credible charges. she s quite sympathetic and of course, judge thomas was outrageous in his outraged, maybe outrageous too in his responses. very uncomfortable. what really strikes me now with the similarities with today s hearing with judge kavanaugh, if the hearing is scheduled on thursday, we ll have to remember that this is not a court of law. there are virtually no rules. senators both sides of the aisle can ask any questions they want to ask virtually. some have agendas. some want to be president. there will be a huge temptation on the part of some senators to drama advertise. they know, too, that they can go so far before they cross that line. i do think that most senators will comport themselves quite well, because this is such a serious matter. having said that, unless there s some dramatic new development which we cannot now anticipate, i think you ll find owl democrats voting against kavanaugh and all republicans voting for him on the committee. to pick up on that point about people running for president, i can t help but think of some of the democrats on that committee, cory booker, camilla harris who both had moments in the original hearing as well. what would you urge them not to do in this hearing? well, i urge them first to be very judicious, very fair because they ll be watched so closely. they should not try to grandstand. they should not try to show how smart they are or show that they re great cross-examiners of judge kavanaugh. they should be fair and ask good questions and fair questions. senator, this is something to go back to the anita hill comparison and your time then. there s been conversations about joe biden who was the chairman of the committee at the time, who is now openly mulling another bid for president in 2020. it said that this is something that he regrets and certainly something that might be difficult for him to grapple with if he were to launch a bid. how do you think he should approach the potential potentia and focus on what he did during the anita hill years if he does get back in the arena? well, i think he s needing to apologize to anita hill because he didn t let witnesses appear. understand he s made a general apology but not apologized to her personally. i think he needs to do that if he wants to be president, he probably should anyway. senator, what would you advice be to male senators who are going to be questioning dr. blasey ford on the republican or democratic side? remember that you don t know how these experiences, as many women have faced are bottled up and they don t come forward. it s just natural for women not to come forward subjected to such a horrific experience like the one alleged here and men have to understand that. i think very few men do understand that. but they should, those on the committee when asking questions of kavanaugh or of dr. ford, but just be fair. we re here to get them the truth. did this incident occur or did it not occur? one of the two is not telling the truth and real effort here to try to determine in a fair judicious way who is and isn t telling the truth. senator max baucus, thanks for that. we ll talk to an attorney who helped get gorsuch and kavanaugh into the circuit court jobs. he joins us just ahead. course, . -fridge, weather. -clear skies and 75. -trash can, turn on the tv. -my pleasure. -ice dispenser, find me a dog sitter. -okay. -and make ice. -pizza delivered. -what s happened to my son? -i think that s just what people are like now. i mean, with progressive, you can quote your insurance on just about any device. even on social media. he ll be fine. -[ laughs ] -will he? 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the result reverse culture shock. you realize how strangely artificial little s really connected to life. the prize winning documentary from the forest starts first on t.w. . twenty six is done and dusted and the big question is who is the league leader going into the international break after dortmund s win on saturday they retook tough spot biron snatch it back. or they wrapped up the weekend s action with a home tie against the lowly minds we ll see if it was plain sailing for by. the time current labor couzin continue their quest for a champions league spot by seeing off a solid better brain. welcome to the bundesliga here on t w i m pablo foley yes and joining me in the studio are former bundesliga player michel didn t say. very own bundesliga reporter yannick speight so welcome to both of you i think we need to wear get down to business and take a look at some football and let s start with barnes clash against mites despite their early exit from the champions league during the week munich don t have time to lick their wounds and have flipped their focus to the bundesliga after taking the top spot the last weekend level on points with dortmund but superior on goal difference biron needed a win against mediocre minds if they were to take the top spot back from dortmund after their victory on saturday. mine said only one win in six going into this game and by zero never looked like losing from the moment robot live in ducks keep them in front of three minutes was thomas rodrigo s made it to nil in thirty three minutes was before kingsley c mon funded one home to send by and then three nil at half time and on course for the stroll the craved after their midweek lushington liverpool. retreat is made at the hammers sandwich with a fourth six minutes after the break was before the colombian took advantage of some comical mights defending to seal his hat trick four minutes later. alfonso davis rounded off the road on seventy minutes. six no and another shot in the arm for byron s goal difference. they might be looking second rate in europe but by on a still a cut above domestically and once again there but the top of been does lee go. beyond what their fire munich six goals it s easy to say and easy to think perhaps that their title defense is on track michelle now it was an odd week for them because of course they were lock knocked out of the champions league but why do you think they ve actually struggled in europe considering we ve just seen that result there. maybe there was an oppression too much on the persia but in the end off today little was better they scored more goals and here you can see maybe it s about the money they spend more money in england and germany waiting for just money but there are enough today it s it s a good thing for live up loric specially for england but really not a good thing of course for the bundesliga german clubs and yanick it s actually the first time in thirteen years that at german club actually hasn t made it to the quarter final stages now is this a crisis for german football on the surface that it definitely looks like it all three bonus they detained cluster dortmund and blind in their clashes against premier league clubs and as does he said maybe it comes down to the money you know the winners they get clubs don t have the t.v. money of the premier league clubs and there is that gulf in finances but you know it s always been the case the premier league clubs of had more money for the past decade at least and still managed to complete the made seven out of ten semifinals in the champions league so they have been out to do it i think rather than put the push the panic button inside this is across think it s more dominant buyer and transition new coaches they re bringing in some new young new players and it takes time and i think this is just a bit of a bit of a dip but with good management i think they can get back to the top of europe well i mean sticking with sort of you know football on a sort of an international stage on friday of course fief announced at that to be this new club world cup and it s going to start in twenty twenty one firstly what is it exactly and how do you think it s going to affect well byron dormant for example yes i mean this is a tournament that is almost the baby of johnny of the tina fey for president he s reportedly negotiated a very big deal with a lot of money to to put on this competition and so it s the club a couple basically replaced the confederations cup which was an in international tournament and it will bring. together the twenty four best clubs in the world of which is supposed to come from europe and they will compete every four years for the world club cup total to buy an adult and two clubs from germany that could make it it could be extremely lucrative they re looking at sixty million euros for competing in this tournament so that s huge money and it s clear that they for doing this because you know they want to i guess cash in on their best clubs and get some cash out of it and i think it s concerning our belief because you wife a opposed to the club suppose in europe and still and yet it s still going ahead and i think it brings up some issues about play welfare as well yeah and i want to actually stick to what you said that there s a lot of concerns firstly michelle how do you feel about it but also want to know because in fact the players union in europe is very much against this so how do you see it here it s clear of course you see all the rich teams and to fourteenth and up to date all four teams have nothing from the k. to the point. for me i don t think really that we need this world cup whatever it is of course more games are coming up and players have to. take a rest and that means an end of today more injuries are coming and for big tournaments the big players are not available yeah i mean it s well we ll see how it pans out really when it starts i think we need to move on because. of course there is more bones league action under coach peter bush isn t have been creeping up the table and now have their eyes on a champions league spot now going into this weekend they ve won well they won six of their previous seven league games but could they keep the momentum going against a vertebrae and side who have europa league aspirations. labor couldn t have been on the upswing on their pager bus but they had big problems against braman maxie setting up max cruiser who opened the scoring in the thirteenth minutes by no chance for a keeper look astride jet ski. the laver cozen defense looks porous and braman made them pay cruiser turned provider this time and me in the rush it s hammered home shoot me oh i m in the second half labor goes and fought their way back into the game leon bailey hitting the target with a glorious spray can keep a year republic i could only stand and watch frame and kept their cool however and max crews a sealed the deal in injury time with his second of the day three one the final score i m frame and put the breaks on laver cozens rebirth and put themselves back into the battle for europe. while in sunday s other game frankfurt took on nuremberg and the only goal of the game came from nineteen into a guy in the thirty first minute it was frankfurt s fourth one in a row and seventeenth last season. seventeen losses impressive for all the wrong reasons now let s take a look at the standings after much day twenty six and bahrain regained the top spot after their demolition of mines dortmund are level on points but with a worse goal difference braman move up after their win and down the other end shall drop to within a whisker of the relegation zone move up as to freiburg doesn t move than first like. now i want to go over to you michel because it s a little bit shocking still to see shall be doing so poorly and let s not forget of course that they have this new coach can you who s been there this is third stands now can hope stevens rescued their season it s a very very difficult situation for him of course he s a legend in this team and this club and everybody expected now that maybe the team will change as attitude on the field and is playing a different football than before but it was a little bit. to see but i don t i don t think so if they can make it so three days three points to a realization. this is very critical very critical very critical indeed and i mean yeah nic it s it is like you know as michel said it s critical it s dangerous they re very very very close and it s shocking to think that just last season things were so very different what s gone wrong or what what s actually if they do anything right this is yeah i mean it s difficult to pinpoint exactly i mean obviously last season i finished second and of course you know a lot of clubs around them had dropped their level and so they gave them a chance to get up there but it still doesn t explain how father dropped this season the they look at different so i think last season they didn t school too many goals so i think the disco tried to bring in a new formation of the saw the year it didn t work they lost five games in a row and from there they just haven t recovered but i also think this comes down to bad management i don t think you can completely blame the coach i don t think they ve made the best out of the transfer dealings they sold a few players that were quite of crucial to the tane and i mean astonishingly this is stevens now returned since he s lost in that had six coaches in six years so that s not a healthy club and that s going to come down to management as well so you know on the coaching problem i think a cultural problem in the club as well and they need to turn things around because you know you have the. cliche clubs too big to go down but looking dangerously close to relegation now a coach who has just told a coach is ok and you are not the coach of. this here is not germany just to make it clear to our to our viewers this is where you are now going to be coaching tell us more congratulations to start with thank you there it s. a very great place that sedation for me right now i m the head coach all for antigua and barbuda and yeah i have a great team overall and they re the players are great if they do everything for me and. it s a lot of work football is down over there and they put so much hope in me and that s why after the show i have to go back and where you mix makes for a new club paradise i think you know you re free just to let you know so you can take us to any time. ok i ll take you up on that offer but you know it s obviously a big challenge for you as well it s a year and have a lot of work to do and how you finding it. yeah it s not easy but an end of today i will have a little team are all me to help me a lot especially also the players they re coming very close to me and there s a lot of trust they gave me and i m giving them back to them and it s not only the 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60 minutes d.w. . are not over out of they will not succeed in dividing us about not succeeding taking the people off the streets because we re tired of this dictatorship. taking a stand global news that matters d. w. made for mines. hello ed welcome to in good shape coming up. autologous blood therapy how does it work. liquid biopsy a new tool for cancer diagnosis. and blood transfusions what are the risks. and here s your host dr cost and they could top it. imagine me writing this bike 3 times around the world i would surely have to see a mechanic to get a few paired sometimes not so hot and this is the distance our blood travels around in our bodies have are old times because of our optimism veins at a distance of more than 100000 kilometers and this is not all our blood down as it helps us doctors to diagnose certain diseases sometimes even before a patient gets symptoms. and that s why i m here at berlin s that today this is where 65000000 blood samples are examined every year the scientific director office all these cliff talk he knows everything about not he will tell us how a few drops of it can tell us everything about all our lives or killed. lats testing is a central part of medicine. is covering more and more of the blood. is doing research but the sharp teeth on how to take cancer even through the stage or to specifically target. nowadays we are able to treat cancer patients individual even with the help of the biopsies. for in sisters blood was like aspirin is for us today it was a cure for many things like behaving and lot against leprosy or drinking fresh schuman blood against seizures or just think about black it to get rid of all the evil forces in the body well blood is not that creepy any war but it s amazing what blood can do. the heart continuously pumps blood around the body up to 10000 liters flow through its chambers every day enough to fill 50 bathtubs. the largest artery is the aorta and it says thick as a garden hose while the tiny affinity than a human head. they form a kind of transport network. and blood is the body s delivery service it supplies the cells with everything they need like sugar ion fat oxygen and hormones . blood flows through the arteries at speeds of up to 2 meters a 2nd. and on its way back to the heart it brings waste products from the body s cells like c o 2 and urea. and more than half the blood is made up of a plasma which is mostly water. some of the blood s components are made inside the bones. they yellow marrow contains he made hope my attic tissue billions of new blood cells are produced every day the different types of blood cells start off a stem cells through a process called cell differentiation they become white blood cells platelets and red blood cells. and they all have completely different jobs. blood platelets repair wounds white blood cells search the body for dangerous viruses bacteria and toxins certain white cells called plasma cells produce up to 2003 bodies a 2nd they target foreign substances in the body known as antigens to neutralize or destroy them red blood cells contain hemoglobin which binds to oxygen this is how blood gets its red color the more oxygen it contains the brighter the red. blood is sometimes referred to as a liquid organ which is no exaggeration considering the many vital functions it performs. i m here with professor would have told by he s the scientific director of burlap thanks her it today it s more pleasant you re left physicians and the blood specialist so what s so fascinating about that well a lot is a peculiar fluids a very very complex mixture and it reflects like a mirror or a looking glass the condition of a patient both pursue respect to health and disease and we can find out a great lots of informations about the patient so are there any alarm sides that you can see in the blood before the patient even have to see his symptoms yes you address the matter of early diagnostics or what would even be better of prevention in germany we take a chinese drop of blood from a newborn child and any law use it for markers of severe diseases there are new methods in the. like mass spectrometry where do you use mass spectrometry for the use in a clinical lab is a quiet new development and mass spectrometry allows the identification and detection even of molecules which have been to this state unknown of cause when the patient takes a rock which has potential side effects it s essential to monitor the concentration. and since to date many new drugs are happy only for the patients benefits introduced into therapy it s essential that we in the lab able to detect and to quantitatively measure these new drugs and this is feasible by the use of mass spectrometry are there any tests that everyone should take essential tests include for instance cholesterol since color store is a real important risk factor for coronary heart disease 2nd i would recommend to do basic testing for liver diseases kidney model function i would have a white and red blood count and for female patients i recommend to enter largest the are in concentration the lot so if you don t want to see your g.p. there are some companies that offer blood tests over the internet what you think about this i personally have my serious reservations about not testing over the counter without the it why is of a medical doctor or a general practitioner. the reason for this is that the test result must be interpreted and evaluated and this requires medical knowledge the interpretation of the sentence to link the test for solid with the personal history of the patient the medication the symptoms and other medical conditions and this is really important to come to the right conclusion based on the test result always see you trape 1st except you know when the 1st blood transfusion was performed it was 1492 when the pope was sick so he needed fresh blood and he was given that from 3 young children unfortunately 3 children died and the pope didn t get well the transfusions and routine procedure medicine but they re not without danger. because alamut is about to have bypass surgery it s a procedure with a high risk of blood loss and the house is understandably worried. sure does. it standard practice to have blood reserves on hand during the procedure but the doctors here at the university in frankfurt are taking a different approach. because of what s a warning to us as major operations are a bit like running a marathon so we get the patients ready the way people prepare for a sporting challenge. in terms of hemorrhaging hemoglobin plays a big role and you know the higher the hemoglobin levels ahead of an operation the more of a buffer you have if they drop during surgery. that s the key factor in deciding if the patient needs a blood transfusion that s why the patient s blood is fortified with iron before surgery and doctors establish if there s any likelihood of a coagulation disorder because a transfusion is always a risk. blood transfusion introduces a range of foreign cells it s comparable to an organ transplant and how s immunological consequences fictive. even a transfusion from the same blood group doesn t rule out a defensive reaction like fever hemorrhage or nausea. but we know that you can give a patient too much blood and overtaxed their circulation could even cause a pulmonary edema so it s extremely important to be very careful and only give the patient the exact quantity they need. it s better to err on the side of caution hospitals have developed patient blood management programs to prevent blood loss during and after surgery for example doctors can use what s called cell salvage during an operation that s a way of collecting the blood lost during the procedure. it can then be infused back into patients if necessary. they are also kept warm with heated blanket it s. keeping the patient warm helps optimize blood coagulation so the patient loses less blood germ surgery. 36 degrees is the baseline temperature for blood platelet function platelets react to bleeding by clumping thereby initiating a blood clot. researchers at the university hospital in frankfurt have developed a small heart lung machine that helps limit blood loss after surgery lost can also be limited by taking smaller amounts of blood during tests. patient blood management programs can help hospitals cut blood transfusions by 50 percent. they also ensure the hospitals have sufficient reserves for patients such as was left which we definitely will need donor blood. and was in the we ve noticed that your hemoglobin levels are on the low side to meet. him. she requires a transfusion after her hip operation for some patients it can be a lifesaver so every drop of blood matters. i m still in burlap with professor. black is also very important for the diagnosis of rare diseases believe me some examples yes this example is for a new category or it is east caused by this order of amino acid metabolism children affected by the disease suffer from damages of the brain and suffer from mental retardation if that is e s is tired norse early enough that children can develop normally through a diet and all this can be diagnosed from a very small drop of blood. if there is something special about. it is that it s very closely connected to research can you leak some secrets what kind of research is going on yes. we are working quite hard. to improve analytics of ra a lot spots this means. a drop of blood put onto a small paper card and draw it and it will ask why we are doing that the reason for this is that it may be difficult to transport liquids plot samples in some areas geographical regions and it s much more easy to transport a dry lot spot on or caught in an envelope put into the mail a 2nd example is analytics and diagnostics to detect and to monitor or model function of kidney diseases or at kidney disease and here we develop new markers which allow and facilitate to properly estimate the degree of kidney malfunction many of my patients ask me if it s possible to detect cancer in the blood so is it possible well early detection of cancer in their blood is a real challenge and with the exception of prostate specific antigen p.s.a. to my personal view we have no screening chill marker which allows early detection of cancer. but there are prospects that we will be able to develop such tests days on genetic or and happy genetic testing and bio chemical testing and possibly also based on liquid biopsy thanks so much for this interesting talk thank you it was my pleasure let s take a closer look on the test called the could see. just some client you ll feel a little john but you know that already. books or has come for a check up so it s no interest to more and we re done. the blood test spares cancer patients a pain for a risky procedure to extract tissue from the tumor a standard biopsy wasn t an option for her anyway. there s a potential even under there in search all could positions in both the lungs but they re hard to reach. she hopes this liquid biopsy will help or switch to a targeted medication and come off chemotherapy which affects the entire body. and i felt awful at the start of the chemo wreaked havoc it really affected my blood values. in the clinic that s treating belongs to a network of experts by testing the tumour d.n.a. in the blood samples they can often determine which subtype of cancer the patient might have. targeted medications have been developed for certain types of the disease including. in this one we might be able to give you medication in tablet form. but so far the medication has only been approved for ovarian cancer not for a tumor in the long so like. one day an oncologist will treat pretty much every type of tumor regardless of whether it s breast cancer or ovarian cancer or something else the aim is to characterize tumor cells more and more precisely and to develop more drugs that allow us to move away from chemotherapy. that would be of great benefit to patients who would have less hair loss or other side effects all the problems you otherwise get don t happen when the therapy targets only the 2 marcels which helps patients quite a bit. has been having chemotherapy for 5 years now and she still has her ups and downs. and i have a lot of support from my family my husband my daughter my grandkids they always pull me back up when i m feeling low. she s hoping the drug will soon be approved for her cancer too so she can switch to the targeted medication. and gives dr claudia for a bit at the berlin show and you re performing the so-called good pipe see what thread currently died gnostics of star tissue so-called sections of piracies. this collection and that can be difficult in patients with poor general conditions like cancer patients and status and nowadays we have the option to do this analysis that others us off to more south genetic information on because biopsies so that means you re taking a blood sample of the patient and you re looking for diego for 2 respects right we start with a collection of a little mound of a lot that we isolate the d.n.a. from the patient which contains the genetic information of the benign cells and also information off your selves what kind of information do you gain from the spot saying actually we re looking for resistance mutations so this means we re looking for changes in the genetic information of the tumour cell which lead to probably a progress of the tumor in the patient and so that we can change the therapy of the patient accordingly so does that mean that it helps you to find the right kind of repeat or just just for me it s a bit of both so actually we are of course hope that we can change the therapy of patients. in order to have a better chance for the patients and other any other advantages of method one is that it is minimal and they sniffed so you can probably do a kind of money touring for the patients you can collect the blood. in serious and check if the resistance it s yours and you can do it many times before you see a change in probably c t e r m i t. right now you re performing this kind of examination of tumors so if you look into the future with other tumors you can do this examination you know this is a very promising method and very valid so we expect to have this kind of analysis whole breast cancer and very near future thanks so much for the interesting talk this is a very modern method doctors are doing with the patients blood but doctors have been taking that from patients for centuries and they re not just taking it they re giving it back to the. autologous blood therapy is the treatment of disease by using a patient s own blind. to begin with i found it a bit spooky the idea of having my blood taken twice a week and then getting it reinjected over a fairly long period of time. but claudia hoff gave it a try she suffered from herpes for a number of years and kept on getting blisters forming on her back at 1st she tried a conventional approach. as. my dermatologist prescribed anti-viral drugs which i was supposed to take for 3 months. but fairly quickly after a few weeks it was obvious i wasn t tolerating it well. michelle answers is familiar with the problem antiviral drugs can be an effective treatment against her piece but he s also found that for some patients alternative treatments work better so just alcohol i guess blunt therapy something he s researched himself at the shop at a hospital in berlin. said i was in the guts this is for cancer treatment that dates back to antiquity in the past it was seen as magic the significance of blood also played a role nowadays autologous blood terror being also called also human therapy is used in alternative medicine as a stimulation therapy designed to alter our modulating immune system. it affects my whole body and some cup of elastic and i was. cloudy off began the treatment in the spring to start with samples of blood were taken from a vein in her arm over a period of weeks. each time the blood that was removed was then immediately injected back into her gluteal muscle with a 2nd sterilized syringe with no additional processing. the whole blunt there of being involved gradually raising the dosage to 5 millimeters per session then reducing it again. how exactly does the therapy work. because i mean news of. fresh blood drawn from a patient s brain and reinjected into their muscles triggers a complex immune reaction that the details of this reaction have not yet been fully researched and understood but the reaction is triggered over and over we can boost it further by increasing the dosage which boosts the stimulus to. the cereal application gives rise to a sort of training effect that stimulating the immune system and thereby improving the body s immune competence it s also a regulation. on this couple. studies appear to confirm the efficacy of autologous blood therapy. to be given you decide it s a few studies have shown that it s effective in treating hives or to cardio. there s new research from a bomb for example that shows that the therapy is also helpful with chronic fatigue . a clinical observation study at the shopping taney has also shown that it s effective in treating her b.s. and the positive effect is still apparent a year after the treatment that s encouraging news for claudia hoff. other forms of the treatment and follow some change to the blood before it has reinjected such as oxygenation ozone nation or the addition of homeopathic remedies designed to further stimulate the immune system as yet there are no scientific studies on this. during and after the entente as blunt therapy cloudy hearts condition did improve a bit she gets here and lester s and they also clear up faster. i felt very good during the treatment. there was a positive experience much more so than i would have expected. that positive effect could be further boosted by a refresher round of treatment the treatment should always be done in a specialized practice hygene is of course essential. fans in the meantime decided to go for a 2nd round of ontology as blunt therapy. i can see there s been a change so i feel it was worth it for the want and there was nothing spooky about it at all. there s still no scientific proof that alter him with a repeat works so if you want to have a go with it 1st check with your g.p. like us g.p. s always like your questions like i do. on an upcoming show we ll be looking at sleep a many people take sleeping pills but they can be addictive how often can they be used and what are the risks if you have a question about that senator in good shape at d w dot com don t forget to write sleep aids in the subject line we look forward to hearing from you. that s enough for today. and until then let s all try to stay a good check. the back. to. get off life. is a winner in the game of life. from the united states. the buyer new fan 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did you guys notice anybody from the theater leaving? to gate no. we we re in view of the theater. sir, what is your name? to get my name is robert. tell me what you felt tonigh compared to yesterday morning? did you feel it also yesterday? yesterday morning i was lucky . i was at work and i hadn t noticed anything at all until m coworkers or did you feel that and i said feel what. she was like well, we felt this. i said no. and then as i can later my boss called and said hey, can you make sure that there is no leaks , no breaks. i was like sure, of course, bu honestly i didn t notice anything at all. today it was the same thing. we are glad you are both okay . we thank you for taking some time to talk with us this evening. have a nice weekend to you both. we want to welcome to you what would normally be the fox news at 11 at 10:00 p.m. we have been on for coverage. here is the latest. we now have experienced a 7.1 earthquake that hit at 8:16 p.m tonight that makes yesterday s quake a pre- or a4 shock to today s quake which is now considered the main shock. this happened right in ridgecrest. the very same epicenter near ridgecrest, so wherever you are in you felt it, imagine what th folks in ridgecrest are going through tonight as they felt no a 7.1 quake. we saw footage of the one fires or reports of the fire there were trying to get more information. we keep noting the difference i times of the quake sprayed the quake tonight at night, the quake yesterday morning in the daytime. it s a whole different situation . we just got a briefing from caltech. we expect another briefing soon. our reporter seth women is they are. seth, walk us through some of the key points of this earthquake right now. good evening, christine and alex, we are in the seismology lab here at caltech where we just got an update from doctor lucy this eiseman is here on th 7.1 magnitude earthquake that w felt today. this was actually the quake tha happened today was the big event . possibly yesterday six-point fo being the prelude, the four shock to today s 7.1 magnitude that was about 10-11 miles nort northeast of ridgecrest. here in the seismology lab, they ve been going over the dat trying to look at the probability of aftershocks because yesterday they did not know the 614 magnitude was just a four shock to today s and the probability of another one happening one happen while we were standing here talking, so little smaller but there could be more, there could be more that are bigger, it s just unclear at this point because i so hard to predict. she said this was a strike slip earthquake. we re not moving up were not moving down, but the ground is moving sideways expanding the ground, the california lien her is being expanded by these earthquakes that are strike slick earthquakes in nature. looking at the data they say they can t estimate when any aftershocks will occur, but they just left out of your takeout and analyze some of the data and promised to have an update for us within the next half-hour after they get a chance to look at some of that data and come back and give us more information. we should note that they wer saying yesterday that this quak was the strongest quake in southern california in 20 years and now you have yesterday six-point for and now you have 7.1 quake, so they also noted a that news conference that they don t get a seven very often, s let s hope that is the case, fingers crossed. the last seven was 20 years ago, the hector nine quake was was over a seven is well. the last time we felt that was back in 1999. scene reports of damage from different areas. oxnard checking income of ventura county with the docs there in. san bernardino county. so far la candy no major damage but we ve seen some different power lines down and a reminder if you re watching this and a power line is down in your neighborhood if you come across that you re driving and you see it, do not touch it. that is deadly to touch a downe power line. let emergency crews know call 911, and try to get out of that area. ain t thinking two of the roads in the area we saw yesterday that there was a gap in one roof. they filled it right away. where hearing the 178 is is closed due to a rockslide. this is in the kern river canyo area. think lake isabella northeast o bakersfield here, as we look here, this is what caltrans was showing us this cluster of earthquakes here and the one ridgecrest, the aftershock 5.1 was far to the right there of your screen that bubble kind of there to the far right. the area that felt at that the worst was ridgecrest the area that felt yesterdays as well was ridgecrest. linda hill joins us on the phone . we have some pictures we want t show of what her home looks like . wind akamai thank you for joining us. how are you doing? and police describe your experience. well, i am doing okay. i think we are getting a little bit numb, i hate to think we re getting numb to it, but i just think that we re also tired and exhausted from not sleeping las night i think i ve heard a lot of people say they ve caught some catnap s this afternoon, but i literally was just headin to bed, i felt like okay, we re going to be okay now and just put my head on the pillow and i started. i couldn t get out quick enough the tv fell over on me. him cut up and bruised. i watched an antique curio cabinet of mine with all my treasures fall over with glass everywhere. dogs freaking out. it s just chaos and it kept going and going and going until i could even get out the front door. i just felt your emotion whe we spoke with you yesterday being so close. how would you compare what you felt tonight compared to yesterday? yesterday was nothing compared to tonight. tonight its catastrophic. i can t even begin to tell you what it felt like. again, i don t ever want to go through it again and i don t think anybody should have to go through it. i think god that most of my family is up in mammoth. i ve got great neighbors that are helping me out. water heater came off the earthquake straps the garage is full of water. water is turned off, gas is turned off, just the emotions are just unreal. unreal. yes i want to ball right now, but i m not going to. not to be too overdramatic here but in that moment, were you fearing for your life? there was no doubt i was fearing for my life right everything was crashing in my bedroom and i had to get around my bed to even get out the door. i definitely was fearing for my life and when that t v came dow on the back of my legs, that is when i knew i was in trouble. linda, how much of this as w look at the photos how much cam down yesterday already? compared to what you then had fall off more tonight? o god, we re having another one part. hang in there, linda. okay. okay. and aftershock there? pretty much all last night the same thing? is, aftershocks. my damage yesterday was nothing compared to what it is today. nothing. this thing just kept going. and i just figured okay. we re all doomed. in the seismologists say tha today s quake was ten times stronger than the quake you experienced yesterday. can you talk about your neighborhood, your neighbors, have you checked in with people that live nearby? how is everybody doing? several people are thinking they want to head out of town i told him probably not a good idea because they don t know th road conditions yet. and i ve gotten older gentleman across the street who just i ve been out there sitting with him in his driveway. he s pretty shook up. so, everybody is just trying to come together and keep it together. there is the tv that fell on may . linda, we are so grateful yo would take time to speak with u both yesterday and today. i am wondering as you are livin through these earthquakes, what advice you would put out for th rest of us here. we know it s earthquake country being in california, when it comes to securing items at home safety and being kind of what w say is quake ready. what would you say to people having lived through this? i think the biggest thing i can say is anything hanging on your walls that might be heavy, put some kind of something to secure them. i never thought i had that much stuff that would fall over like this. that is one of the biggest things i could say. i m sorry, i m jumbled right now . linda, you are doing great. this is very real and all of us in southern california have fel some quakes at somewhere at som point in time. i think everybody is rooting for you and feeling you, and appreciative of you sharing you experience. it is so important for all of u to hear this to as a way to prime us for experiencing what inevitably will be a similar experience. any help i can give. you guys have actually been my sanity here tonight, i thank hi immensely for staying, texting with me, and reaching out to me to make sure i was okay. that was so thoughtful of him. bill being a reporter. s. wonderful reporter. for those of you who don t know where ridgecrest is, you mentioned mammoth, it is kind o the route to mammoth where people will sometimes start over . your community of about 30,000 people. are you feeling your community come together? i m saying yesterday you witnessed this in the early morning around 1030. now it s nine and 10:00 p.m. at night i m wondering how many ar able to connect at 10:00 p.m. a night, but how is your community coming together? i think the community is ver strong. there is a lot of people such a myself that were born and raise here. my phone has rang and text off the hook just checking to make sure i m okay. and seeing if they can offer an help. i know the whole community is doing that as well. you just have to come together in times like this and, you jus kind of have to it went out for a little bit when the tv fell over and hit me , my power went out then, so i was kind of blind walking out and thank god, i don t know how i didn t step on any of that class. linda, i m so glad to be talking with you because i send more of a column in your voice and really, i just want you to know that in southern californi we are sharing in this experience together. many of my neighbors and friend lived through the northridge earthquake. we come right into working we deal with this situation and share information and you are our eyes and ears there tonight and ridgecrest. do you have animals? i do, i have one dog, thankfully she is calm, fireworks don t bother her, thi isn t bothering her. did she react to the quake? no. to get my dogs did here in la. she s about four and a half years old, and nothing has been phasing her. she s just been a trooper, than god. i just couldn t deal with her o a leash and trying to make sure neighbors were okay and stuff and figure out what all damage had, so unfortunately she s out in the backyard, she saved, she can t get out. that is a reminder for those of us with animals if you have that to go kids we re calling i that quake hit, do you have extra leashes in that kit, do you have dog food, medications because all of that has to go with you. had you thought, are you thinking at all of leaving your place? i know there s a red cross shelter set up their. are you needing to leave or are you okay at home? i m not okay at home, but i don t feel like i want to leave my home. i don t know if that makes any sense. it is familiar for me, it is home up. i probably should go somewhere and get these things checked on my leg, but compared to probabl what some other people are goin through, it s nothing. they are fine. they are just scrapes and bruises. linda, i wish we were there with you because i would love t give you a big hug right now. i would love a big hug. just feel the hug from me and from christine. a fox news alert here. another earthquake hit southern california listening to coverag from southern california. let s go now to news conference in kern county that is underway. let s listen in. we have a lot of people that are here to help and we are currently taking action. we are just gathering information right now and takin action. with that, we will go ahead and i will open it up to questions. [inaudible reporter question] we want to recognize a coupl of folks you are here coordinating with us so we have i m going to step out of the way . okay, we have congressman mc carthy s office here shannon grove s office as well as other supervisors across kern county are here to assist this operation and have given 100 percent support. we are putting together a plan right now. questions. what is the plan? to do a systematic search of ridgecrest for life and propert and address those specific issues. have you had any reported injuries? a lot of medical aid calls are out there. we know of no fatalities at thi time however there have been a lot of ambulance calls, medical aid calls for help. our there cruise right now that are planning on sending an more resources? yes, we are launching a lot of people. a lot of people are headed from a lot of different places. we have a strike team of engine that just arriving from our county as well as all of the local resources out in the desert are now in the ridgecres area. [inaudible reporter question] they re are many concerns, many concerns. we think of the dam, we think o buildings collapsed, people trapped, however we don t have any reports right now of a majo building collapses, however there could be some. we are going to search and that is the first part. the first part is finding out where those buildings are and gathering that information. they re are so many calls for help that we have a backlog of calls in the ridgecrest area. that is where we are at. what was your reaction based on what happened yesterday? you know, being here in bakersfield, the east side of town, feeling the earth move course, we re wondering where the epicenter was, where did it hit and find out the informatio we find out it was a seven-poin one and realizing that was more significant than the one that was previous, we started launching a lot of equipment. even though we don t know for sure what all the damages, we want more equipment because we know how catastrophic the last one was. we were getting reports that there was fire at the hospital, can you talk to that? i don t know about a fire at the hospital. would anybody else like to make a statement? any other questions? let s see. what time is it? it is 1030. if we have any more significant developments, i will be back ou at 11:30. how prepared do you think a you are at this point to take care of the situation? i am confident we can take care of the situation. people should be resting assure that we are taking action and w have sufficient resources in route to deal with this situation. i will be back at 11:30. okay, so here is now an update on what s going on in southern california. they re has been a second major earthquake. as seven-point one magnitude quake. the epicenter is around ridgecrest, which is the same area where we had that six-poin for magnitude quake that hit on thursday. ridgecrest is made up of a smal community made up of about 30,000 people and we heard from some folks they are a little while ago who said they were just panicked and for a while their power was out. our correspondent jeff paul is on the phone with us now. jeff, you were telling us power was out for you as well and you were charging your phone with your car battery. that s what happens in situations like this. you have got a very powerful earthquake and the power is usually one of the first things to go out. ruptured gas line, we don t kno if that s the cause of this fir that we saw, but almost minutes after we felt the very powerful earthquake you could hear the sirens and we looked off into the distance you could see a huge thing of smoke just going into the air as a mobile home was set on fire. by the time we got over there that s all it was was just fire. emergency crews responding in every direction. driving around town, that is th one constant the sirens, the ambulances, the police officers responding in its may be just not for calls related to the earthquake, but also just peopl that are sick or are needing medical attention. they still have to do their job during this event. we are right now trying to driv out the front of that is where we re hearing reports of a highway being closed down after there has been some features in the highway due to this powerfu earthquake. that is what we saw on the fourth of july the same area where the highway sort of split open and they were able to fix that fairly quickly. we are not able to confirm the amount of any injuries, but we do know we ve seen at least one fire [inaudible] jeff, i think i m losing you there on the phone. jeff powell are fox news correspondent has been on the ground in southern california. he was actually there when the quake hit. he felt it he captured the vide you re watching on the right-hand part of your screen. people inside of what looks lik a restaurant running out trying to get to safety outside as soo as they felt this quake hit. it is a much bigger earthquake than what was felt on the fourt of july. let s go ahead back to bakersfield where they re talking to some folks out there. let s listen to what s happenin there. definitely, they called in extra law enforcement and firefighters and just for the holiday to make sure everyone stays safe, for that and then o top of that they had an additional resources do ridgecrest after that earthquak yesterday the six-point for, th four shock is what they re calling it, so they had all of their resources out there and they really gave a lot of credi to the volunteers who gave up their time yesterday to go out there and help because they wer spread thin trying to take care of all the masses with the fourth of july celebration s going on as well. those people we re in place tonight, they have been warned as much as they could be that this is a likelihood that this could happen, so they knew exactly where to go. there was one question about there being a fire at the hospital. you heard the police officer sa that they haven t heard reports of that so that is good news although the hospital is still not open from what i understand because there was some structural damage that they wer finding as they kind of inspected the building as well as some of the sprinkler system what first alerted them to the damage because they were dripping so they thought let s remove the patients and take care of these folks. they moved them outside to a mobile shelter and another hospital. that was from yesterday s quake so you can imagine that shape the hospital is in now after this seven-point one. i m actually looking at the earthquake map right here and i our area, in that area, i am seeing another quake just three minutes ago a 2.9 aftershock, over and ridgecrest another one just four minutes ago at 3.0. another one just about ten minutes ago commit so right now i m looking at it and i m counting just in the last may b 30 minutes or so, at least a couple dozen aftershocks here i not more all in that area, so the shaking continues here and again, we are starting to see a bit of a situation where this i exactly what the usgs predicted that this would continue, but the scary part of this has to b that they said this is going to continue not for a day, but for possibly a few weeks. the good news is they don t anticipate anything as large as tonight s quake to happen again in the future, however, just an hour after the seven-point when we had the 5.4, those are possible to be happening for quite some time as you you re looking at more video of these pools showing you just a little mini tsunamis here at some point , basically flooding yards because so much water is coming out of these pools. miles has been tracking all the aftershocks do. let s go ahead and turn things over to him with more information. well, we continue to monitor the shaking and what you see right here, this is hard to see this is from the usgs, you can see ridgecrest in the middle there. this is a fox news alert, we are doing coverage on yet another big earthquake to strik southern california. this time as seven-point one magnitude quake hitting just after 8:00 p.m. local time there . local authorities reporting multiple injuries and fires. power is out for many people on the ground. la fire reporting no major damage and lax airport reportin no major damage to their runway that is good news for the quake was centered about 11 miles fro ridgecrest it was felt as far away as las vegas and los angeles. the usgs also reporting it was felt as far away as mexico. they re have been more than 170 aftershocks in the area since thursday s six-point for magnitude quake. let s bring in fox news correspondent jeff paul who has been with us live all through the night. jeff, you we re on the ground. welcome back. you we re on the ground when this all happened. i know you re been having some phone issues. you had to get some power from your car battery. what is the situation on the ground right now? from our vantage point, is w are driving into different areas , we are starting to see a little more lights on which is good sign. things are starting to get back up and we are seeing fewer cars out on the road, but weather there are fewer emergency vehicles or people are starting to calm down a little bit, the other good thing i can mention is after this big one happened here tonight, just after 8:00 p.m., we felt a ton of aftershocks after that even a minute after that was another aftershock and another one. you can feel it as people tried to calm down there was really n time. i can tell you within the last half hour or so, we haven t fel one. that might be because we re moving around so much, but we were feeling them at a pretty good clip there. it was just a little after 8:00 o clock we were inside a restaurant and you just heard the rumble and then everything started shaking. you heard plates falling off, people scrambling, knocking ove chairs trying to get out the door. i think one of the things we hurt commit you re not supposed to go outside during an earthquake and there we re so many people inside, there we re open grills with gas flames coming out of it to cook food, think everybody just wanted to get outside in case the ceiling we re to collapse or if there would be sort some sort of fire. once you are outside you could really see the emotion on a lot of people s faces. some people laying on the ground , some people crying. now we re starting to see more lines at gas stations is people try to fill up their tanks in a situation like this when you don t have power at home, but charges you have have to do wit this generator. and that s what you re feeling where your ads, think about the people, 30,000 people living in ridgecrest which is where the epicenter was. that is where we are. we are there. we ve been in town and we been here for the last couple of days . we were right there when the bi win came through. that s where were seeing a lot of that video from and showing that video that we shot of us running out of the bus stop. it was a huge moment of panic. so what is the advice now from officials for folks. i know it s the middle of the night now or it s getting to be time for bed, especially with the families that have kids. what is the advice. i know there are aftershocks still happening. they are predicting up to a six magnitude aftershock. what do people do now? i think the big thing for emergency responders is trying to get to is to try to figure out what s going on at the hospitals. you can kind of hear them yelling to get out of the way. so what we are seeing as we drive down the main drag here i we are seeing a lot of police officers driving up and down they don t have their lights on anymore so it feels like it has gone down a little bit. as we drive, there is just a huge batch of darkness where th entire street is outcome of the street lights are out. thankfully the traffic signals are still working so we re not seeing any major traffic jams o car wrecks because of that, but down certain patches, it is absolutely dark out here. this is about 28,000 is 30,000 people it s already dark out here with the lack of streetlights and then on top of that. jeff, i m going to let you g for one second, standby. we re going to jump back into this conference at caltech. all that saying were having very robust sequence, not a surprise it s going to continue. there is no reason to think it going to be stopping. so far in the last couple of hours we have reported to magnitude fives. 16 magnitude fours and over 15 magnitude threes in just the last two hours. it does seem to be dying down a little bit that first hour we were seeing a lot of stuff. the ground is moving enough tha we re not seeing smaller earthquakes at this point, we r not seen anything below magnitude three because the ground is moving enough from th force inside that you can t see below that. [inaudible reporter question] it s 100 percent that you re going to have the sequence ongoing. we have never seen a sequenc like this suddenly stop. so the aftershocks will continu it is following a pretty traditional pattern, but on the high side, so how many aftershocks, some of them have small number, some of them have a lot. we re on the upper 50 percentile . this is definitely a robust sequence, but it s far from unprecedented. it s just on the high side of average. can you assess the aftershocks again, the size of them and how many we have had? so far we have recorded two that are above a magnitude five. 16 above magnitude four and ove 50 that are above magnitude three. there is an estimate very preliminary estimate right now of about 10 percent, of one in ten chance we could have anothe seven within the sequence. that is calculated for the next week. the chance of something bigger than six is actually a bit over 50 percent. in the chance for a five is approaching certainty. it would be extremely unusual i we didn t have another five. these estimates are all for week. the most likely time is right now. the other thing to remember, th way they die office time and we are seeing it after the six and we seem to be getting into the die off. here, every number you have in the first 24 hours, the next 24 hours will have about half that many. the next 24 hours will have about a third that many et cetera. the tenth they will have one tenth as many as we have on the first day. what that means is it will go down pretty quickly and then we will have a really long tail where it will continue to have the risk for quite a while. the last time we had earthquake at this size we were seeing significant aftershocks for mor than a year for several years. so far everything we are seeing, we seem to be having some continued activity on the southwest striking part of the l-shaped, but the majority are up to the north. the color coordination there obviously the large is the main shock. wright, the colors, the reds reds are the most recent events. and so you can see. when you say recent? within the last hour. those we would say are all associated with the magnitude 7.1 bird those are all aftershocks. those are all spread out, but you did see it up to the northwest we speculate that is where the rupture may have stopped, but we can t confirm that until we actually have mor data and how people get reports back from the people on the ground brickey you said you had geologist on the ground there. we have not been able to get an indication it s going to be difficult actually to get out there because it s on the naval weapons station. so, there are some logistical challenges they are. obviously to commit these peopl we re right at ground ground zero for a major earthquake. so i have two indications are geologist and engineers are okay , but it s nighttime, there may be issues driving on the roads, there may be structures that are damaged. we have some confirmed reports of gas wires fires in the city of bridgeport and so forth, so there is a lot of other stuff t deal with that s much more important than trying to get ou and look at the fault. you said earlier it s trending away from certain time. i think it s worth reminding that were talking about the probabilities and we re talking about triggered earthquakes it important to remind people mostly you trigger the earthquakes right where you hav the first one the ability to trigger dies off very quickly. there is some possibility as a few times the fault length. so we don t we haven t seen triggered earthquakes more than about three or four times the length of the fault. this looks to be about 25 miles long, so we are getting, may be out over 70 or 80 miles. would it be possible to see stuff? that is the extreme of it. do we know what triggered this one? it was triggered by the six-point for. this as an earthquake sequence. the earthquakes are related. if you do calculation of the chance that they re not related ended zero. guesstimating on the power, seven-point when being greater than the six-point for. you didn t go and redo the calculations did you? take it let me do this quickly in my head right i think it s about a factor of eight more powerful in terms of the amount of energy released during the earthquake. it is being released over a larger area. and a longer time, and i think that is folks here in the la region can attest to that th ground shaking was pretty long. we would estimate that the actual rupture for this magnitude 7.1 havlicek between 15 and 20 seconds for it to rupture to start at the epicenter and then propagate across the fault. until we get a chance to look a the data in detail we can t be more certain about that. 5-10, we have some data that showed it was a little on the slow side. this is probably about the same, the data needs to be downloaded and massaged, and it s friday night. the one question i find fascinating everybody talks about the information isn t in the earth surface doesn t help that research? we will go in and looked, bu i spent a couple of decades trying to find something that was different about four shocks than other earthquakes and neve found it. we will go in and looked, and w have more data we have much better stations now for this sequence than we ve had for any previous for shocks we have looked at. if there is something there we will try to find it, but it s not obvious. [inaudible reporter question does that include the possibility that this could be another four shock. included in that approximately one in ten chance that s a seven-point okemos 7.1 7.2,. what is your plan over the next week or so. are you guys stationed here? he actually still has a paid job. yes, we are going to be working and analyzing data. there is a ton of information that is coming in right it is going to take a lot of work to get through it. and that is the information coming in digitally, on the computers, and then obviously the people in the field are gathering information as well. where are we with her early warning? early warning system worked well. the problem was the distributio to public and that was a policy decision that doesn t rest with us, it s being discussed whethe or not the threshold should be lowered to give out warnings. eve get really bright angle here. how often do you see? that s relatively common because if you squeeze somethin you ll often see cracks showing up. x-shaped cracks on the side of the building. there is a radiation pattern pair there s one direction with a moves. for instance pointing from northridge to pasadena turned out to be that minimum shaking direction and there was no damage essentially in northridg and pasadena for the northridge earthquake. nearby communities were badly damaged. there is that factor. there is also something called. you get a focusing of energy an directions moving towards. in the first one, we think that it went in the 6.4. at ruptured towards ridgecrest and there was probably some focusing energy in that direction. here it s a much bigger. nobody gets you interested i quick preparation. in the past 20 years you haven had seismic activity at this size. overall for the state there are fewer people getting affected here. those people are suffering a lot , but the rest of the state can move into help us. move into help them and hopefully that is happening now. when we have our earthquake, we re going to have a lot more people affected by it and it s going to be harder to respond. it has been a significant route we haven t had an earthquake of this size for 20 years. in that time we have seen more emphasis and seismic safety especially at the city and county level than we ve seen at any other time in california history. we don t have to have an earthquake to remind us to get things done, but it sure doesn hurt. i think what we ve been getting a lot going on perhaps at the community level, it is individuals, there is a lot of individuals for whom you forget and here is your opportunity. i think probably trying to get to the website tonight might be futile, there seems to be a lot of access to the sites, but tomorrow when you have some extra time and you remember wha happened earthquake country.org has a lot of information about things you can do individually, but also consider doing it with some community groups. and the san andreas still hasn t ruptured past palm springs bread. the southern mart parts of the san andreas has to average in earthquake about once every 150 years the last one was on the mojave segment was 1857 the one on the southernmost part wa 1680. whatever is causing a long interval is happening now. at some point are luck will end. it will be happening to the san andreas at some point to. the san andreas, we said between a 6.4 and the 7.1 is about a factor of eight. 7.1 to 7.8 is the same difference and it will be that much bigger. is 7.8 on the san andreas is going to be eight times bigger than this earthquake and of course a lot of it will be closer to us, but this is only 10 percent the size of the san andreas earthquake is a pretty big earthquake. i don t think we should underestimate just because we didn t get hit that badly, just how bad it is right now. easter sunday of 2010, there was april 4th, that earthquake at magnitude of seven-point to, i haven t been including that because it wasn t in california. the rupture was completely within mexico so yes we felt it and probably a similar sort of distance well, it didn t feel quite as strong here since we were farther away, but it was not one of our fault system so when were talking about earthquake rates, what s happening on the faults, i didn t include that. yesterday you talked about there s no way to predict. that s right, all of this is random and it is something people don t like. on top of that random distribution, we add earthquake triggering. so when we talk about a random distribution, that is as sequences. this is still all one sequence for all that we ve had a couple thousand earthquakes at this point. the account was about 1500 before the 7.1 happened at. seismologist from caltech an usd has giving us another updat on this 7.1 magnitude quake, th second largest quake to hit in the last two days. fox twos correspondent jeff pau is reporting live for us on the ground in ridgecrest which is the epicenter. we are finally seeing him now. jeff, i m looking at the data right now it looks like you guy just had a 3.5 magnitude aftershock and you keep having these aftershocks. what do they feel like? every once in a while you will sort of sit there and feel their shaking in the vehicle you ll check around with the people around you and say, did you feel that? did you feel that clicks we are certainly feeling it here where we are at the local hospital. this has become sort of the staging area where you re seein a lot of ambulances show up, firefighters, just whoever migh need some care or need to be transported. where are the power is out. the hospital behind it still ha some lights on but if you look behind the shot where i m looking straight beyond the camera it is pitch black. there is no power out here othe than passing car that has its lights on right now. so we re not out of the wood just yet, at caltech and the usgs seismologist telling us that the largest aftershock likely could be a i believe a six magnitude. we ve already felt to aftershocks that have been abov of five, so what are people on the ground doing because as you said, the power is out. it is now nighttime, bedtime fo a lot of families, what do you do, how do you get through the night? i think a lot of the people right now are trying to collect their resources as we were driving up to the hospital, you see a car stopping off at any gas station that might have power. some of those credit card machines are down so it goes to having cash people are paying cash, whatever they can to get some food, it may be some water because they don t know how lon this event is going to last. there is still a lot of traffic on the road, several cars are passing up and down here, the occasional truck with a flatbed in case they need to get a vehicle or get some folks to safety, but it s hard to tell because it is so dark out just exactly the extent of the damages. shortly after that earthquake, we could see some smoke off in the distance just beyond the hospital here. when we got closer to it you ca see a home, a mobile home just up in flames. the flames we re shooting at least 40 feet in the air. firefighters were out there trying to knock down those flames. we went by there a few minutes ago on the way to the hospital and it seems like they have tha under control. we are only only hearing right now of a few minor injuries, bu those details are still developing as the night continues here in california. crews are going door-to-door and making sure that everyone i okay. i guess there is a dam out ther to that they are concerned about . a producers could bring back that video you shot earlier thi is compelling video, it shows the moment when this quake hit. you where they are. can you talk us through again what you saw and what was happening? what it felt like? just further down the street from here we were getting a bit to eat and there was an aftershock. you can kinda feel it rumbling inside the restaurant spend a few people in the restaurant sort of cheered like we made it through this within a few minutes later, that s when the big one happened that 7.1 or 6.9 , whatever they re calling it now. a very powerful earthquake. the whole building started to shake, i don t know if we could even play that audio from that video, i think if there was a time to play that, you could really get that sense of panic because people were trying to get outside because this is a restaurant that had several grills that we re firing off yo have gas lines, always a concer up ruptured gas lines. once we got outside, everyone was just trying to collect themselves people were out of breath, for some people this ma be the first time they ve ever been so close in their minds to may be losing their life or being injured and you can see people on the ground just tryin to collect their breath. some people crying, other sayin we need to get home because we need to check on grandma, we need to check on other family members to make sure they are okay. one woman was telling our local affiliate that her tv fel and actually injured her so perhaps a word of advice right now is if there s anything hanging on the walls, take it down. make sure that you re home is a safe as possible. i think a lot of people righ now they kind of want to just b out in the open. where in a parking lot right here, there is nothing near us and i feel like people feel saf right now, i don t know if that s the safest thing to do, but when you re inside a house or a restaurant or on a second and third floor, there s always the potential of something falling on you, a building collapsing. the one thing about this that w should mention is a town of about 28 is 30,000 people so this hospital one of the bigges buildings in town, other than that a couple of hotels that ar maybe three stories tall, so comparing that to a major metropolitan area, the building are much smaller. kern county officials just had a news conference and they were saying that they ve got a backlog of these calls from folks calling for help, and right now they re also going around the town looking for damaged buildings, what are you seeing? i can hear the sirens in the background spread. i was just going to say, you can see a fire or a police officer shooting down the road and that has been the norm tonight, there will be sort of silence and then you see those off in the darkness because it very dark out here. you see the red and the blues and you hear the sirens. you could tell earlier when we were driving around there we re police officers out there, not with their lights on but just going around because while the town doesn t have the biggest population, it is rather spread out and in some spots it s rather rural. to take the time to go from all of the town is going to take quite a while to make sure everyone is accounted for. i m not sure if you know thi but do you know anything about this dam that that officials ar concerned about? we haven t heard any reports on that from where we are at think the main concern is to make sure that there aren t any other fires sparking up. the one thing that the police chief told us earlier today whe we talk to them he said he really had felt like the community during this latest is the six-point for magnitude earthquake on july 4th. he felt that they really dodged a bullet. they wanted to make sure they kept their resources in town in the event that we did have this more powerful earthquake inside beyond that, i think it s going to take some daylight to really tell the extent of the damages. we re also seeing every once in a while, choppers up. i m not sure what agency that is , they are shining lights down on the ground to get a better vantage point to see what is happened after this earthquake. anybody on the ground tellin you what their plans are. what are folks telling you thei plans are to get through the night. that s not their job, but they re making sure that the most in need people are getting those services. you kind of see that from time to time when you cover stories unfortunately like this in smaller towns, everybody gets together to make sure everyone gets back on their feet. you get a sense of that. are you hungry, i think that s where we re at right now. live and on the ground and the epicenter of this massive secon earthquake to hit southern california. a seismologist saying it was a 7.1 magnitude quake hitting jus after 8:00 p.m. local time. local authorities are reporting multiple injuries on the ground multiple fires as well and as jeff was reporting, power was out for a whole lot of people there in southern california. la fire reporting no major damage to buildings, lax airpor also reporting no damage. away from ridgecrest which is where jeff paul was. which is also the same place where we had that six-point for magnitude earthquake on thursda on the fourth of july thursday morning this is near the mojave desert about 150 miles away fro northeast la. the 7.1 was felt as far away as las vegas, los angeles, and the usgs now reporting as far away as mexico. physical things would be replaced. in moments like this parrot. thank you for joining us and keeping us updated. after that 7.1 magnitude earthquake we felt earlier this evening just an hour later ther was a five-point for aftershock and those are likely going to keep coming. we ve had a number of significant aftershock sprayed the 7.1 is the primary aftershock and yesterday s six-point for was the for shock to the sequence of earthquakes. here you see a five pointer and a 5.3 that was the one that was about an hour later. also a number of 4.2 magnitude earthquakes continue. the biggest and worst of it was up in the red area just to the north of ridgecrest. you see the bottom down there. that is the indian wells valley and the pager program is a program it s an acronym that stands for program that estimates what this earthquake, based on where it is, how many people where they are, the type of ground, what sorts of injuries, what sort of fatalities might be expected an they have come up with a 30 percent chance that 1-10 fatalities will take place with this and 65 percent chance as you can see in green there that nobody will be killed. there is a slight chance, 4 percent that up to 100 people could have been killed by this. 7.1 once again a huge earthquake . more than five and a half times stronger than yesterday s six-point for. they re shaking on the chic scale nine, which is severe damage. we ve already seen multiple reports of fires, you ve seen the pictures and heard the stories. a moment ago talking to one individual he was talking about a lot of property damage from houses. a lot of damage they are. of course it s nighttime, the sun comes up tomorrow morning about a quarter to six at that time we will see the real damage . not much in the weight of any damage here in the bakersfield area. the canyon is closed, there has been a lot of bolder action there. that would probably be the case through the night as more aftershocks of fours and fives continue to occur. you can see everybody filing ou of the building they have an evacuation plan in place for when something like this happens . again, this 7.1 magnitude
doing their business. this might actually start on time. mike pompeo doesn t get enough attention. there is two scenarios, he was helping to orchestrate the off book political campaign run by donald trump and rudy giuliani, or he was oblivious to what was being done to all of his employees. he was asked repeatedly to defend her, and we have on the record in testimony a call from the state department to yovanovitch at 1:00 in the morning where they say we need to get you out on the next plane. what did he do? i think the fact pattern is just as par real for mike cpompeo as trump. we know that mike pompeo was listening in on the phone call of which donald trump said of that former ambassador. that bad woman, bad things are going to happen to her and her former boss, secretary pompeo didn t do anything. lisa, you work at the state department for a republican administration. what impact does this have on the state department today and in the future. i agree with nicole that i think pompeo will ultimately suffer as much fallout as trump. you hear from former colleagues who are just horrified by what is going down in the building, and rex tillerson s administration may not have been that popular, but now, you hear people saying well, he decimated the foreign service, but it wasn t like he was just out w d outwardly hostile. people are pet trrified of retribution, of the lawlessness, and if you step up against that you re punished. so you re punished for upholding the value you took to protect american interests. we re waiting for the beginning of the impeachment inquiry. devin nunez sat down along with the council for majority. nicole this week the white house is saying this is much to do about nothing. they have said it has been not quite exciting enough. i found this to be about as gripping as anything i have ever seen in washington dc. you have people who are just laying out the facts and they re slowly but surely putting together this puzzle. so we can see, just how badly jump and his administration operated in ukraine. and maybe we re just old enough to remember the drama of the post cold war and national security movies that saw people like ambassador kent who stood on that line. making sure that america didn t tip in the wrong direction, and that just a word, a nod, the release or the speed with which military aide flows to russia s enemie enemies, these were things watch s ed to carefully around the room. he smashed decades of work. this is not about democratic witnesses or the republicans have been such jerks, they say they are nobody s star witness. they re american diplomats there to protect american national security. your father and mika s father dedicated their lives to promoting american values across the globe. defending american interests across the globe against the soviet union. and russia, a russia who now, they want to go back to the middle east, they want the world to believe that you craukraine part of the soviet union. they have said that ukraine is not a real country. in terms of his own political interests we just celebrated by dad s 99th birthday. and his generation, people who were public servants. they believed in america s purpose, we just celebrated the fall of the berlin wall. a moment in which caall of thos years of dedication lead to a kind of victory. i hope as people watch ambassador yovanovitch this morning, think of her out there on the front lines. she was an ambassador for 33 years and had that continually year after year. this is a wonderful moments and i hope americans think about their service. out there, serving their country. there she is walking into the room, mika, and the lineage is coming directly from your father, henry kissinger. all of the men and women, republican and democratics alike that dedicated their lives to protecting america and democratic values. their life s work obliterated in the last three years. and you get a sense when you hear her story of the insidiousness of it all and when it played out. i don t know if it is a crime or what it is, within the overall crime that the president will be impeached for, but tow have a sitting president threaten the life of an ambassador serving in a country in the middle of a hot war i don t know what i would call that, but that certainly adds to the very gripping nature and serious nature of what happened here. they re about to start here, we ll listen to chairman schiff as soon as he begins. i think the strength of the witnesses is reflected in the criticism, we heard they re boring, or on fox news making fun of their appearance or their water bottles. these are severe diplomats that served under democrats or republicans. they re not never trumpers or deep staters, that woman there is there to tell the truth. let s listen in. good morning, everyone. this is the second in a series of public hearings that the committee will be holding as part of the house s impeachment inquiry. the chair is able to declare recess at any time. we will proceed today in the same way as our first hearing. we will have opening statements and then turn to the statement for opening statement and questions. audience members, we respect your being here and we ask for your respect during this he hearing. as chairmanly maintain order to ensure the committee is ran with house rules and house resolution 660. i recognize myself to give an opening statement in the impeachment inquiry to donald j. trump. in april 2019 the united states ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch was called and told to get on the first plane back to washington. she was informed by her superiors that although she did nothing wrong she could not serve as ambassador to ukraine because she didn t have the confidence of the president. it was a stunning change of events nor diplomat. ambassador yovanovitch has been in the foreign service for 33 years and served much of that time in the former soviet union. her parents fled stalin, and then hitler, and ended in the united states. she known as an anti-corruption champion whose tour in kiev was viewed as very successful. michael mckinley said that from her first days, she was excellents with serious, and committed. i remember her being one of those people destined for greater things. her successor, acting chief, described her as very frank. she was very direct, made points clearly, and she was indeed tough on corruption and she named names. she was a strong person and made those charges. in her time in kiev, ambassador yovanovitch was tough on corruption, too tough for some and it made her enemieenemies. you can t promote principaled anti-corruption action without pissing off corrupt people, and she did not just piss off construct ukrainians. but also, certain americans like rudy giuliani, donald trump s personal attorney, and two individuals now dietindicted wi them. they had come to include the president s own son, don junior, promoted a smear campaign on her based on false allegations. there was an effort to push back to get a statement of support from secretary pompeo, but they failed when it became clear that president trump wanted her gone. so have argued that the president can nominate and remove whoever head wants. and that is true. the question is not whether or not he could recall an ambassador with a stellar reputation for fighting corruption in you yukraine, but would he want to. why did rudy rudy giuliani want gone. and why would they want to work with the same man that rudy giuliani played such a key role in the smear campaign against her. rudy giuliani made no secret about the question to open an investigation against the bidens. as he said in one interview, we re not meddling in an election, we re meddling in an investigation which we have a right to do. more recently he told cnn s chris cuomo, of course i did when asked if he pressed ukraine to investigate joe biden. and he has never been shy about who he is doing this work for, his client, the president. one powerful ally was the corrupt former promise cue tor general. the one powerful adversary lusenko had was named marie yovanovitch. in the july 25th call, trump brings up a corrupt prosecutor and praises him. he says he was very good and he was shut down and that is really unfair. but the woman known for fighting corruption, his own former ambassador, the woman smeared and driven from her post, the president does nothing but disparage, or worse, threaten. well, he have go through some things the president declares. that tells you a lot about the president s priorities and intentions. getting rid of ambassador yovanovitch help set the channel. most importantly, the 2020 political opponent that he apparently feared the most. they heard from acting ambassador taylor that they would press ukraine into these investigations and would push back but for the fact also that someone blue the witness. ambassador yovanovitch was serving our nation s interest, but she was considered an obstacle. for that she was smeared and cast aside. the powers of the presidency are immense. but they are not absolute. and they cannot be used for corrupt purpose. the american people expect their president to use the authority they grant him in the service of the nation. not to destroy others to advance his personal or political interests. and now i recognize ranking member nunes for his remarks. i thank the gentleman. it is unfortunate that today and for most of next week we will continue engaging in the democratics day long tv spectacles instead of involving the problems that we were all sent to washington to address. we have a major trade agreement with canada and mexico ready for approval. awe deal that would create jobs and boost our funding. we have a job for the government that expires next week along with funding for men and women in uniform. we have been convened once again to topple a dually elected president. i ll note that five, five democratics on this committee, had voted to impeach this president before the trump zelensky phone call occurred. they have vowed to get rid of him since he was elected. so he was used as an excuse for them to serve their water gate fantasies. but i m glad that on wednesday after the democrats staged six weeks of secret depositions in the basement of the capital like a strange cult the american people got to see this as far as f farce for themselves. they saw hours of hearsay testimony. in other words, rumors. the problem of trying to overthrow a president based on this type of evidence is obvious. but that is what their whole case relies on. secondhand and third hand information cited by the whistle-blower. that s why democrats were forced to make the absurd argument that hearsay can be better evidence than direct evidence. committee republicans received a memo from the democrats threatening ethics reversals. no republicans here know the whistle-blower s hit because the whistle-blower only met with democrats. not with republicans. chairman schiff claimed he didn t know who it was and he blocked us from asking questions that could reveal his or her identity. republicans are left wondering how it is possible for him to block the questions of the claims of people that he claims not to know. republicans on this dias are used to them. any top i think aside from the ridiculous conspiracy theories that president trump is a russian agent. when you find yourself on the phone, like the democrats did with russian prank stesters offg you nude pictures of trump, as the democrats also did. that it might be time to ask yourself if you have gone out too far on a limb. and the funding of the steel dossier. the democrats were cooperating with that operation. this was the subject of a july 20th 2017 letter sent by senator grassly to then deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. it raised concerns about the activity of a contractor for the democratic national committee. who worked with ukrainian embassy officials to spread dirt on the trump campaign. at senator grassley wrote, her actions appear to show she was multi simultaneously working on behalf of the campaign. on an effort to influence the u.s. voting population and u.s. government officials. democrats on this committee ignore ukrainian election meddling even though chalupa admitted to the democrats scheme. like wide their blind to the blaring signs of corruption surrounding hunter biden s wael paid position while his father was vice president. but the democrats media hacks only cared about that issue wre briefly when they were trying to stop joe biden from running against hillary clinton in 2015. as i previously stated, these hearings should not be occurring at all until we get the answers to three crucial questions that the democrats refuse to ask. first, what is the full extent of the democrats prior coordination with the whistle-blower and who else do the whistle-blower coordinate this effort with. second what is the full extent of ukraine s election meddling against the trump campaign. and third, why did buresma hire hunter biden, what did he do for them, and did he affect any government actions under the obama administration. house democrats vowed they would not put the american people through a wrenching impeachment process without bipartisan support and they have not. add that to their ever growing list of broken promises and destructive deceptions. in closing, mr. chair, the president of the united states released his transcript right before the hearing began. i think it is important that we read this into the record yet so there is no confusion over this first phone call that occurred on april 21st with president elect zelensky. i would like to congratulate you on a job well done and congratulations on a fantastic collection. zelensky, good to hear from you, i appreciate the congratulations. the president: that was an incredible election. zelensky: thank you very much, as you see we tried very hard to do our best. we had you as a great example. the president: i think yi think you will do a great job, i have many friends from ukraine that know you and like you and expected you to win and it s really an amazing thing that you ve done. i guess in a way i did something similar. we re making tremendous progress in the u.s. we have the most tremendous economy ever. i just want today congratulate you. i have no doubt you will be a fantastic president. zelensky: first, thank you so much for the congratulations, we in ukraine are independent and we re going to do everything for the people. you are, as i said, a great example. we re hoping we can expand on our jobs as you did. you will also be a great example for many. you re a great example for our new managers. i also would like to invite you if possible to the inauguration. i know how busy you are, but if it is possible for you to come to the inauguration ceremony that will be great. great for you to do to be with us on that day. the president: that is very nice, i ll look into that and give us a date at the very minimum we ll have a great representative or more from the united states will be with you on that great day. we ll have somebody at a minimum, a very, very high level, and will be with you. really an incredible day for an incredible achievement. zelensky: thank you, we re looking forward to your visit of a high level delegation, no words that can describe our country, how warm our people are, and how tasty our food is. it would be best for you to see it for yourself. if you could come, that would be great so again i invite you to come. the president: i agree with you about your country. when i had ms. universe, ukraine was always very well represented with nice people. when you re settled, i would like to invite you to the white house. we ll have a lot to talk about but we re with you all of the way. zelensky: thank you for the invitation, we look forward to the visit, the whole team and i are looking forward to the visit. i think it will still be great if you can come be with us on this important day, the results are incredible. they re very impressive for us, it is absolutely fantastic if you could come on that day. the president: very good, we ll let you know very soon and when see you soon regardless. say hello to your family and let them know i send my best regards. zelensky: thank you very much. the president: ta take care of yourself and give a good speech today. zelensky: i will practice my english. the president: good day, good luck. i m glad i was able to read that into the record so the american people know the very first call that the president trump had with president zelensky. and with that i yield back the balance of my time. mr. chairman i have a parliamentary inquiry. i do want to comment i have a point of order under h-res 660 will the chairman continue to prohibit the witness from answering republican questions as you have done all this week. not a proper point of order, the gentlewoman will fwhot recognized. i have a point of order. the gentleman is not recognized. there are transcripts that have not been released. the ranking member was allowed to exceed the opening statement and i was happy to allow him to do so. i want to respond to the call record. first i m grateful that the president has released the call record. i would now ask the president to release the thousands of other records he asked the state department not to relace including ambassador taylor s notes, his cable, george kent s memo, documents from the office of management budget about why the military aide was withheld. i want you to represent the the gentleman with l suspend. we ask the president to stop obstructing the impeachment inquiry. we are thankful for the single document, but he has obstructed witnesses and their testimony and the production of thousands and thousands of other records and finally i say this mr. president, i hope you will explain to the country today why it was after this call, and while the vice president was making plans to attend the inauguration that you instructed the vice president not to attend zelensky s inauguration. i have a point of order. we know clearly you re going to interrupt us throughout this hearing. the gentlewoman is not recognized. chairman gentleman is not recognized. today we re joined by ambassador marie yovanovitch. she was born in canada to parents that flaed the soviet union and the nazis. she became a naturalized american at 3 and entered the foreign service in 1986. she has been nominated by presidents of both partiepartie. george w. bush nominated her to serve for the republic where she serve from 2005 to 2008. president obama then nominated her to be ambassador to armenia. and the ambassador to ukraine from 2016 until she was recalled to washington this may. she held numerous other senior positions at the state department including in the bureau of european and eurasia affairs. she also previously served. she received multiple honors for her diplomatic work including her distinguished service award. two final points, first witness depositions as part of this your classified in open hearings. any information that may touch. congress will not tolerate any reprisal, threat of reprisal, or threat of an official testifying before congress. if you would please rise and raise your right hand i will begin by swearing you in. do you swear or affirm that the testimony you re about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you god? let the record show that the witness answered in the affirm di ative. thank you, with that ambassador marie yovanovitch, you re recognized for your opening statement. mr. chairman, ranking member nunez and other members of the committee. you ll need to speak very close to the microphone. thank you for the opportunity to start with this statement. to reintroduce myself to the committee, and to highlight parts of my biography and experience. i come before you as an american citizen who devoted the majority of my life, 33 years, to service to the country that all of us love. like my colleagues, i entered the foreign service understanding that my job was to implement the foreign policy interests of this nation as defined by the president and congress teen congress, and to do so regardless of which person or party was in power. i had no agenda other than to pursue our stated foreign policy goals. my service is an expression of gratitude. my late parents did not have the good fortune to come of age in a free society. my father flaed ted the soviets. my mother fled after the revolution, and she grew up stateless before also making her way to the united states. their personal histories and my personal history gave me grate dwr gratitude for the united states. i joined the foreign service in the reagan administration and served three other republican presidents and two other democratic presidents. it was an honor to be nominated by two presidents. let me tell you about my reality. it has not always been easy. i have moved 13 times and served in seven different countries. my first tour was in somali, an increasingly dangerous place as that country s civil war kept grinding on and the government was weakening. the military took over policing functioning in a particularly brutal way, and basic services disappeared. several years later, after the soviet union collapsed, i helped open our embassy in uzbekistan. as we were establishing connections, we were attacked by a gunman that sprayed the embassy with gunfire. imoscow. in 1993 i was caught in cross fire between presidential and parliamentary forces. it took three tries, without a helmet or body armor to get in a vehicle to go to the embassy and we went because the ambassador asked us to come and we went because it was our duty. from august 2016 to may 2019 i served as u.s. ambassador to ukraine. in my tenure in ukraine, i went to the front line approximately ten times in a hot war to show the american flag, to hear what was going on, sometimes literally as we heard the impact of artillery, and to see how our assistance dollars were being put to use. i worked to advance u.s. policy fully embraced by democrats and republicans align ke to help th become a stable market. a secure democratic and free ukraine serves not just the ukrainian people but the american people as well. that is why it is our policy to match objectives. the u.s. is the most powerful country in the history of the world. it is in large part because of our values. ukraine with an enormous land mass and large population has a potential to be a significant commercial and political partner for the united states as well as a force multiplier on the security side. we see the potential. russia sees by contrast, sees the risk. the history is not written yet, but you crane could move out of russia s orbit, and now ukraine is a battleground for great power competition with a hot war for the control of territory and a hybrid war to control ukraine s leadership. the u.s. provided significant security assistance. and the trump administration strengthenned our policy by improving the provision to ukraine. supporting ukraine is the right thing to do. it is also the smart things to do. if russia prevails, and ukraine falls to russian doe mminion wen expect to see other attempts to expand territory and influence. ukraine s democracy has an equally important challenge. corruption makes ukraine s leaders vulnerable to russia and the yukrainian people understan that. they are demanding to live under the rule of laud. ukrainians want the law to apply equally to all people, whether the individual in question is the president or someone else. there is a coincidence of interesting. corrupt leaders are less trustworthy, but an honest rip is more valuable to the united states. a level playing field bordering four nato allies creates an environment that u.s. business can more easily trade and profit. corruption is also a security issue. corrupt officials are vulnerable to moscow. in short it is in america s national security interest to help ukraine transform into a country where the rule of law governo governs and the u.s. is held in check. significant progress has been made since the 2014 revolution of dignity. unfortunately, as the pass couple months have underlined, not all ukrainians embrace our work. it is not surprising that when our anticorruption efforts got in the way, ukrainians that look to play by the old moves sought to remove me. we found americans working together and they succeeded in orchestrating the removal of a u.s. ambassador. how could our system fail like this? how could foreign interests manipulate our government. what interests are served when the corrupt behavior that we have been criticizing is allowed to prevail. such conduct under mines the u.s., exposes our playing field. our leadership depends on the power of our example and the consistency of our purpose. both have now been opened to question. with that background in mind, i would like to griefly address some of the factual issues that i expect you may want to ask me about starting with the timeline in ukraine and the events that i do and do not have firsthand knowledge. i arrived in ukraine on august 22nd 2016 and left permanently on may 20th, 2019. there are a number of events you re investigating to which i don t have any knowledge. it includes the release of the so-call so-called black ledger. and, the departure from office of former prosecutor general victor shohem. several other events occurred after ukraine, the discussions surrounding that phone kcall, ad the delay of security assistance. as for events during my tenure in ukraine, i want to reiterate first that the allegation that i asemila asemilated a do not prosecute list is false. i did not tell mr. leschenko who they should or should not pros kus. and ukrainian law enforcement, prosecutors, and judges should not yielding their power selectively and start dealing with all consistently and according to the law. also untrue, our unsourced allegations that i told unidentified embassy employees or ukrainian officials that president trump s orders should be ignored because he would be impeached or for any other reason, i did not and i would not say such a thing. such statements will be inconsistent with my training as a foreign service officer and my role as an ambassador. the obama administration did not ask me to help the clinton campaign or harm the trump campaign. nor would i have taken any such steps if they had. partisanship of this tooip is not compatible with the role of a career foreign service officer. i have never met hunter biden nor have i had direct or indirect conversations with him. and i have met with president biden several times, neither he or the previous administration ever raised the issue with me. with respect to mayor giuliani. i have had only minimal contact with him, three, nonrelated to the events at issue. i don t understand his motives for attacking me nor can i offer an opinion on the allegations that he spread about me. he should have known that those claims were suspect, coming as they reportedly did from individuals with question able motives and reasons to believe they re political ambitions would be stimed. after being asked by the under secretary of state for political affairs to exextetend my tour i 2020, it is a new public faze in the united states. state but department officials suggested an earlier departure and we agreed on may 23, 2019. i was tolded weeks before that to come back on the next plain. ukraine just completed game changing presidential elections. it was a sensitive period, and it called for all of the expertise that we could muster. when i returned to the united states, there was a concerted campaign against me. the president no longer wished me to serve as ambassador to the ukraine, and the president had been pushing for my remove value. as mr. sullivan recounted, neither he nor anyone else ever explained or sought to justify the concerns about me, nor did anyone suggest that i had done something wrong. i appreciate that mr. sullivan publicly affirmed that i serv servedabserved capably and admirablely. i have always understood that i served at the pleasure of the president, but i find it difficult to comprehend that foreign and private interests were able to under mine us in this way. the stated u.s. policy against corruption to do our mission were able to successfully conduct a campaign of disinformation against a sitting ambassador using a back channels. they share baseless allegations with the president and convinced him to remove his ambassador despite the fact that they understand it was false. these events should concern everyone in this room. ambassadors are the symbol of the united states abroad. they re the personal representative of the president. they should always act and speak with full authority to advocate for u.s. policies. it can limit our effectiveness to safeguard the vital national security interests of the united states in is especially important now when the landscape is more competitive than it has been since the dissolution. they have learned how little it takes to remove an american ambassad ambassador. what official could be blocked or not when wondering what ambassador could be blamed and they can t count on our government to implemented stated u.s. policy and protect and defend u.s. interests. i would like to comment on one other matter. at the closed deposition, i expressed grave concerns about the degradation of the foreign service over the past few years and the fall yur of state department leadership to push back as foreign and corrupt interests hijack our policy. and other that s have declined to acknowledge that the attacks against me and others are dang rougsly wrong. this is about far far more than me or a couple of individuals. as foreign service professionals are being denigrated the institution will also be denigrated. the state department has a tool of fornls policy and does not often get the same attention or respect as the military might of the pentagon. we are the pointy end of the spear. if we lose our edge, the u.s. will inevitably have to use other tools even more than it does today. those other tools are blunter, more expensive, and not y univers universally effective. more over the attacks are leading to a crisis in the state department as the policy process is visibly unraveling. positions are going unfilled and officers ponder an uncertain future. the crisis proved from the impact on individuals to an impact on the institution itself. the state department is being hollowed out from begin at a competitive and complex time on the world stage. this is not a time to under cut or diplomats. it is them, today, making it the most diplomatic force in the world. and congress has a responsibility to reinvest in our diplomacy. that is an invexment of our national security. an investment in our future and our children s future. let me be clear on who we are and how we serve this country. we re professionals, public servant that s by vocation and training pursue the policies of the president regardless of who holds that office or what party they affiliate with. we handle american service services. work security issues. represent the use, and report to washington. and we make a difference every day. we repeatedly uproot our lives, risk, and sometimes give our lives for this country. we re the 52 americans who 42 years ago though month started 244 days of captivity in tehran. dozens that were stationed in cuba and consulates in china that mysteriously and permanently were injured and attacked from unknown sources several years ago. and we are ambassador chris stephens, sean patrick smith, ty woods, and glendon dougherty. people called heros for their actions in libya eight years ago. we honor these individuals. they represent each one of you here and every american. these courageous individuals were attacked they symbolized america. what you need to know, what americans need to know, is that while thankfully most of us answer the call to duty in far less dramatic ways, every foreign service officer runs the same risks and very often so do our families. they serve, too, as individuals as a community, we answer the call to duty to advance and protect the interests of the united states. we take our both seriously. the same oath that each one of you take. to support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and to bear true faith and allegiance to the same. i count myself lucky to be a foreign service officer, fortunate to serve with the best america has to offer. blessed to serve the american people for the last 33 years. i thank you for your attention. i welcome your questions. thank you, ambassador. we count ourselves lucky to have you serve the country as you have for decades. we ll now move to the 45-minute rounds. i rec noise myself and majority counsel for 45 minutes. ambassador yovanovitch, thank you again for appearing today. all americans are deeply in your debt. before i hand it over to mr. goldman, our staff counsel, i want to ask you about a few pivotal events of interest to the country. first of all, was fighting corruption in ukraine a key element of u.s. policy and one on which you placed the highest priority? yes, it was. and can you explain why? it was important, and it was actually stated in our policy and in our strategy, it was important because corruption was undermining the integrity of the governance system in ukraine. and as i noted in my statement, countries that have leaders that are honest and trustworthy make better partners for us. countries where there is a level playing field for our u.s. business makes it easier for our companies to do business there, to trade and to profit in those countries. and what had been happening since the soviet union, and this is very much a soviet legacy, is that corrupt interests were undermining not only the governance, but also the economy of ukraine. we see enormous potential in ukraine and would like to have a more capable, more trustworthy partner there. and i know this may be awkward for you to answer since it s a question about yourself and your reputation. but is it fair to say that you earned a reputation for being a champion of anti-corruption efforts in ukraine? yes. i don t know if you had a chance to watch george kent s testimony yesterday, but would you agree with his rather frank assessment that if you fight corruption, you re going to piss off some corrupt people? yes. and in your efforts fighting corruption to advance u.s. policy interest, did you anger some of the corrupt leaders in ukraine? yes. was one of those corrupt people prosecutor general less senk oh? yes. i believe. was one of those another corrupt prosecutor named victor shokin? apparently so, although i ve never met him. at some point did you come to learn that leschchenko and shookin were talking to rudy giuliani? yes. the denial of the veisa was based on mr. shokin s corruption? yes. that s true. and was it mr. leschchenko who pedaled false accusations against you as well as the bidens? yes. that is my understanding. and were these smears so amplified by the president s son donald trump jr., as well as certain hosts on fox? yes. yes, that is the case. in the face of this smear campaign did colleagues at the state department try to get a statement of support for you from secretary pompeo? yes. were they successful? no. did you come to learn that they couldn t issue such a statement because they feared it would be undercut by the president? yes. and then were you told that though you had done nothing wrong, you did not enjoy the confidence of the president and could no longer serve as ambassador? yes, that is correct. in fact, you flew home from kiev on the same day as the inauguration of the new president? that s true. the inauguration was attended by ambassador sondland, volker and perry, was it? yes. and three days after the inauguration, in a meeting with president trump, are you aware that the president designated these three amigos to coordinate ukraine policy with rudy giuliani? since then i have become aware of that. this is the same rudy giuliani who orchestrated the smear campaign against you? yes. and the same rudy giuliani who, during the now im famous july 25th phone call recommended to zelensky the investigations the president wanted in the 2016 election and the bidens? yes. and finally, ambassador, in that july 25th phone call, the president praises one of these corrupt former ukrainian prosecutors and says they were treated very unfairly. they were treated unfairly, not you, who was smeared and recalled, but one of them. what message does that send to your colleagues in the u.s. embassy in kiev? i m just not sure what the basis for that kind of a statement would be. certainly not from our reporting over years. did you have concern, though, or do you have concern today about what message the president s actions sends to the people who are still in ukraine representing the united states when a well-respected ambassador can be smeared out of her post with the participation and acquiescence of the president of the united states? well, i think it s been a big hit for morale, both at u.s. embassy kiev, but also more broadly in the state department. is it fair to say that other ambassadors and others of lesser rank who serve the united states in embassies around the world might look at this and think if i take on corrupt people in these countries, that could happen to me? i think that s a fair statement, yes. mr. goldman. thank you, mr. chairman. ambassador yovanovitch, on april 24th of this year at approximately 10:00 p.m. you received a telephone call while you were at the embassy in kiev from the director general of the state department. this was just three days after president zelensky s election and the call between president trump and president zelensky that we just heard from ranking member nunes. at the time that this urgent call came in, what were you in the middle of doing? i was hosting an event in honor of an anti-corruption activist in ukraine. we had given her the woman of courage award from ukraine and, in fact, the worldwide woman of courage event at the worldwide women of courage event in washington, d.c., secretary pompeo singled her out for her amazing work in ukraine to fight corrupt interests in the south of ukraine. she very tragically died because she was attacked by acid and several months later died a very, very painful death. we thought it was important that justice be done for her and others who fight corruption in ukraine, because this is not kind of a table top exercise there. lives are in this balance. we gave her father, who of course is still mourning her, that award, the woman of courage event. and her woman of courage