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That goldberg contraption, it didn't function. but his desire was to kill everybody. and we could be looking at that, people who have real desire but no skill. and that's possible in some of these fusing and firing mechanisms may have been flubbed. one is shrapnel in the pipes and of course, two, i think the double bombs to maxine waters and to joe biden. that does not seem to me to be to lead itself to a hoax. one bomb will scare you, but if you send two it's like i really want to make sure i kill you. there's some indicators there. it's not an absolute. but i think we have to be careful with...

>> number one, i can tell you jim cav nag and i would rather be work the case than talking about it. but once you take senior status, that's what you do. four quick things here. let me take the other investigative track. let's talk about the potential that suggested this is either a bad bomb maker or it's intentional hoax devices. number one in at least one or more of the devices, we're not teaching a bomb making school. but i know there's one key component missing. that intentional, if it's intention intentional, if it's not, we're going to see a new and improved version. number two, we have ...

It does seem like the pieces are now becoming clearer and clearer. >> i think they're becoming more clear, anderson. it's still very, very early in this. a big factor -- i heard phil mention it earlier is the type of bomb, how it was made, what bomb making school, basically, the person followed. what kind of explosive material, the forensic powder to determine the exact chemical composition of that. that will help identify possible bomb makers. >> this is a dumb question. why would a bomb maker have such a distinctive signature that could be identifiable. >> when you learn how to make a bomb, ...

Region, a quantum leap there, as jim was talking about, where will you develop those bomb-making skills? you don't go to m.i.t. to learn,build pressure cooker bombs, do you go to the caucuses, do you go to that area of the world where these devices have been used successfully to attack humanity for year upon year upon year. so i think that six-month period, the russians help us in that we may be able to identify who he was working with and gone to perhaps some type of terroristic training, bomb making school. realize the two brothers set some place. they built multiple pressure cooker bombs, b...

bomber, that this was a way to upgrade the technology into an ie d and explosive device. what do you know? >> just speaking to a senior administration official tells us while there are many similarities to the past bombs we heard out of aqap, there was differences to this which is why they want to take the time to being make sure the fbi goes through the forensicing. we have heard a number of threats about body bombs and senior administration officials tell cnn this was not intended to be a body bomb. this was more in line with the sort of underwear bomber type of thing. look, they r...