bomber, that this was a way to upgrade the technology into an ie d and explosive device. what do you know? >> just speaking to a senior administration official tells us while there are many similarities to the past bombs we heard out of aqap, there was differences to this which is why they want to take the time to being make sure the fbi goes through the forensicing. we have heard a number of threats about body bombs and senior administration officials tell cnn this was not intended to be a body bomb. this was more in line with the sort of underwear bomber type of thing. look, they really feel strongly this is a success. they worked with their international partners, make no mistake about it, the best internal service against this target is the saudi service. we know that the saudi service is tipped off the americans when it came to the cargo plane threat and worked with them, and the head of the saudi service, muhammed benaif was the target of the one of the al bombs so they understand the target and they're a close ally of the united states and this administration official stressed to me that this really was an international effort although they also stress that this bomb never made it to their knowledge near an airport or an airplane prior to coming into their possession as far as their investigation has shown, and it was never a threat to the united states, so that means one of two things to me, john. either this was an early stage, this bomb plot, or it may have been made inneither by the u.s. or a security service which is why they wouldn't fear it detonating. >> an intelligence success in keeping it from either being able to be used or keeping the bomber from buying a particularet and getting on a plane, whatever, and the question now is if they were developing this new technology what is it capable of and what have they learned? here is what the fbi says tonight. as a result of close cooperation with our security and intelligence partners overseas, annum proceed iz voo the explosive device designed to carry out a terrorist attack has been seized abroad. the fbi is currently in possession and conducting technical and forensic analysis and initial exploitation indicates the device is very sim la are to i des used previously by al qaeda. if they're getting better, what are the key questions >> i don't know they're getting better. i think when they say similar to devices in the past, one of the reasons that the authorities can identify a bomb maker or a bomb making school is because they don't deviate. it is not like the chef in a restaurant trying to be creative. if you make a bomb and you have your fingers and toes afterwards to tell about it, you don't deviate too much from that. petn is the choice they used over and over and aqap, and there won't be much deviation. the underwear bomber, no metal involved. if have you it in a plastic ziploc bag and something and trying to light it with a match, there won't be a metallic object with that and there is a difference between an underwear bomber or external will i carried as opposed to what we heard about body bombs and trying to put did into a body cavity. it is a different thing and i don't know what kind of container it would be in prior to it going into somebody's cavity, and the only other concern i have in the whole plot, everyone is cheering the success so far but yet we don't have someone in custody. the question that i have is how much intelligence do we have about who made it, where did it come from, who was going to carry it, what airplane or group of airplanes may have have gone to later. we don't have a lot of details. we just have the material and it is often easy enough to obtain or intercept, and i think if you're enter ikt didding an explosive device does it give you enough information to basically interrupt the people who made it? >> what's your sense of the question tom raises from your intelligence sources? do this he have those questions or have some of the answers and we don't know them yet? >> i think, john, they actually understand a good deal more about this device than they're making public and that's for good reason. if they want to thwart these things going forward they can't signal publicly everything they know. we heard again and again this device never represented a threat to the united states. it suggests to me even when it was not in the possession of u.s. officials or their allies something had been done to it to give them that degree of confidence that this device never posed an active threat to the united states. >> and, tom, when they say never posed an active threat and they were saying all along they have no specific or credible information when asking these questions around the bin laden an verse have i, if you're the average person watching, you say they found it and stopped the plot and i shouldn't be worried about it. >> you shouldn't be worried about that bomb. it is in custody. who made it? where else are they storing them? could there be a continuing terrorist operation that has not been thwarted? there may be. it may have been thwart and had they haven't said so yet and in terms of not discussing the details of how it was made or what it would look like, at some point how are you going to tell the airline officials around the world and tsa and their counterparts around the world what to look for? if they don't know what to look for or how it could have been hidden from the scanners they have or any of that, it is not going to do a lot of good to say we found this device and not going to tell you about it. tell us about it. what are we looking for? >> important tensions between the agencies. we'll check in throughout the hour as new information comes in. the defense secretary spoke about this plot moments ago. >> i do not comment on specific classified operations other than to say that the united states engages in a number of operations to go after al qaeda and their militant allies, their terrorist allies, who would try to attack the united states. what this indianapolcident make is this country has to continue to remain vigilant against those that would seek to attack this country. we will do everything necessary to keep america safe. >> jessica young, what did people at the white house know about the plot and when did they know it? >> hi, john. officials hearsay the president was informed in april by his counter terrorism team here, john brenan, about this plot and then received continuing updates ever since then and reiterated at no point was the public ever in danger from this foiled plot. i am also told by a counter terrorism official they are confident that this plot was not tied to the anniversary of osama bin laden's death. in a statement released here they also said that while the president was assured the device did not pose a threat to the public, he directed the department of homeland security and law enforcement and intelligence agencies to take whatever steps necessary to guard against this type of attack. i am advised that means that out of an excess of precaution to make sure there is nothing else out there like this to make sure that americans are safe. the key piece of new information here is that they are confident that this was not osama bin laden's debt related to osama bin laden's death or an attack planned around that, john, and as you might guess they're insist ant and quite pleased this is a sign that american intelligence gathering has developed and been greatly enhanced since 9/11 and not a sign that al qaeda is not only a sign in their view al qaeda is degraded and the u.s. stepped up its abilities significantly since then, john. >> quite an important point there at the end. jessica yellin, we'll stay in touch. thanks for that information. much more coverage on the breaking news, the foiled terror plot to blow up an air liner and we begin an in-depth look at the campaign promises. tonight, president obama's report card on illegal immigration. ♪[music plays] ♪[music plays] ♪[music plays] purina one beyond. food for your cat or dog. high schools in six states enrolled in the national math and science initiative... ...which helped students and teachers get better results in ap courses. together, they raised ap test scores 138%. just imagine our potential... ...if the other states joined them. let's raise our scores. let's invest in our teachers and inspire our students. let's solve this. of all our different items in our festival of shrimp so we can describe them to our customers. 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bring up the report card. introduce immigration reform the first year, you would have to say he broke that promise. he never introduced legislation. did talk to the congress about it and never submitted an actual bill. securing the borders, the administration claimed significant progress when it comes to securing borders and has many critic and you would have to say it is still a work in progress. the administration claims progress. how about providing a path to citizenship? this is a promise the president not kept although he says he is still open to conversations with the congress and he says he can't get anything done if you have a big partisan fight over the immigration issue. >> i would only have broken my promise if i hadn't tried. ultimately, i am one man. we live in a democracy. we don't live in a monarchy. i am not the king. i am the president. i can only implement those laws that are passed through congress. >> let's discuss the immigration report card and how it will shape the campaign. ahead, congressman charles gonzalez with texas with us and mario diaz ballard of florida that serves as co-chair. we showed them backwards there. as we talk we'll get it right. congressman, to the democrat, i want to come to you first, congressman gonzalez. in the latino people say say you promised to submit the legislation and you never did. why? even if you know they won't pass it why not keep the promise by handing the piece of paper. >> on going discussions throughout the first two years of the president's tenure, of course, and the problem was the reality of a gridlocked congress and we know it was going on in the sna the and the senate was supposed to go forward first and you know what's going on there and frustration and of course just the on constructionism. and the president has been dedicated to comprehensive immigration reform from day one. and not let up on that and the problem is he is absolutely right. >> what is the new at the moment, as you know, your party if you look at the polling has a problem with latino voters. i know you're among those that tried to suggest to some voices tone down the rhetoric, maybe we should get progress. is the problem the comprehensive part, if you did this piece by piece, could we get agreement with the democratic president on incremental immigration reform? >> i think it is important to put the facts on the table and when you first spoke about it, you did so, but when people talk about the obstructionist congress, for the first two years this president had huge majorities. democratic majorities in the house and the senate. as you said a little while ago, he said that he was going to bring forward legislation. when he controlled the house and the senate, for two years, not only he says i tried and he never presented legislation. by the way, we're still waiting. i send messages to the white house continuously and they don't respond to me about the issue. again, let's put it on the record. look, he promised he would present legislation and try to get it passed in his first 12 months. he said so repeatedly. he never -- he to this day has yet to present it and to blame congress when in the first two years he had 100% control in the house and the senate, and now to blame republicans? look, the facts don't add up. the reason we do not have immigration reform, look, it is a tough issue. obviously otherwise we would have done it a long time ago. without rest presidential leadership, it is impossible. this president only talks about it election time and giving speeches is not real leadership. the problem that we have is that while he talks about it and when he remembers it during election season he has not wanted to get it done because here is a question where is his bill. we're still waiting. >> it is a fair question, is it not, and your republican colleague is correct in that the first two years in office the democrats did run the town. >> running the town and passing legislation are two different things. one is perception that you have that majority. i love my dear friend mario, but i don't understand how he is going to reconcile the position that we tried to move just on the dream act which is, again, incremental. we voted for it. mario voted for it. i voted for it. when it got to the senate they couldn't get 60 votes just to get to a vote. they had 55 votes. where you don't have the support that is needed is just a handful of republicans. if we don't have that in the senate, you're never going to get to the 60 vote threshold and you're never going to get to a vote. that's what's happening in the united states congress today. >> congress ma'am, as you want to use this as an issue against the president if you would like to go to your community and say he didn't keep the promise and don't you have a problem in that the republican party has an image crisis i will call it in the latino community in many ways and to what degree do you disagree with your candidate and some of his proposals on this issue? >> i public lib disagreed on some of his proposals on this issue and charlie and i are good friends but let's not forget the president didn't introduce legislation his first two years. he broke that promise. the dream act which by the way one of the original sponsors of that was my brother, then congreman lincoln diaz ballard, and when the president decided to move forward on it, senator harry reid, because he had a tough election in his state, i didn't even talk to the republicans who were the sponsors including myself and my brother was the original sponsor of that legislation along with a democrat, so again the question is is it being done for political reasons or are they generally trying to get it done? is this president trying to get it done? i think the problem he is having is people are understanding that he is no different from any other politician that goes through this town and promises, promises, promises, whether you will cut the deficit in half, going to have no lobbyists in his administration, and you name it. this is another one of these typical political promises and that's why i think it is people are frankly upset. now, i would like to tell you that the republicans have been much better and i will tell you no, they haven't. on this issue, both president obama and the democrats and the republicans frankly have been i think have left a lot to be desired but for the president to claim that it is other people's fault, he tries to do that with everything. this is his watch. he had a total majority in the house and senate and didn't even try to get it done in his first two years and now it is election season and he blames others and it is tough. stop blaming others for everything you haven't accomplished. it is time to step up and show the legislation and show me where is the legislation that the president has offered? >> i will let you add the last word. >> please. >> to this point your colleague makes a passionate case. the president could cut off half the argument if he sent a piece of legislation up even if he knew it wasn't going to pass. >> let me put it in the proper perspective. this is the difference between president obama and mitt romney. the bill that mario and i voted for that was five votes shy of getting the 60-vote threshold in the senate, say they reached it, they have 55 votes. we know it would have passed. mitt romney would have vetoed that bill. that is the difference between president obama's commitment to getting along with everyone in the senate and in the house and to at least get the dream act out. have you mitt romney out there and already saying he would veto it. i don't understand where mario actually is coming from on this particular issue. we should all be sponsoring comprehensive immigration reform, the dream act, see if we can get a vote. i think you know, mario, you're not going to get a majority of the vote in the republican controlled house. >> i appreciate you coming in. we'll get to the records about romney's record as well and happy to have both of you back in. thank you so much for coming in. important as you can see and a foois i issue. congress is back in washington and talking about budget cuts. harsh austerity measures just lost big time in europe. what the results over there may mean here including for your retirement savings and britain's prince harry here in the states paying tribute to real heroes. welcome back. here is kate baldwin with the latest news right now. >> happy monday, john. hello to all of you. headlines to catch you up on. at the john edwards trial today an attorney for one of the edwards main donors testified his client gave money because she liked edwards as an individual and knew some of her money was not going to edwards 2008 presidential campaign. that could be a problem for the prosecution because edwards is accused of illegally using campaign contributions to cover up a sexual affair. medical examiners completed an autopsy on the body of a churchill downs stable worker today, but they aren't saying how the man died. his body was discovered behind a barn early sunday, the morning after the kentucky derby. police