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It is a great place to start. Especially given the Vice President ial debate that we all watched. It is entitled, this is why maga loves j. D. Vance. And you wrote in part quote, weve seen all this before. In 2016 and 2020, Mike Pence was the gentleman debater. He was less polished and less effective than vance, but he had a similar, softening effect on the ticket. In 2016, his Earnest Faith and apparent kindness might have reassured voters that Trump Couldnt be that bad, not if he had chosen pence. We know exactly how that turned out. In choosing advanced and discarding pence, trump traded ac...

I'm just curious if, bob, i'll start with you, obviously, our conversations changed pretty radically soon, but i'm curious if the donald trump you have written about in this book lines up with the donald trump you were talking about and to and reporting on in 2015 if this were hints back then that you would have a guy that was as undemocratic and try to overturn presidential elections if there were a lot of hints that this guy actually was going to try to be an authoritarian president. >> it brings me back to a moment. march 31st, 2016. wood wrd and i were talking about this. it was the day we...

He was on "the apprentice." >> we talked a little bit about it during the transition talking to donald. i am curious and bob costa, i will start with you, did donald trump, you written about him in this book lines up with the donald trump you are talking about and talking to and error reporting to in 2015. if there were a lot of him, this guy was trying to be an authoritarian president. >> march 31st, 2016, woodward and i were talking about this the other day.

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