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Feel -- or they can sense a heart beat. they don't know -- remember, this is a woman who lost oxygen for a sustained period of time. so by all accounts, that's what caused her brain death. for all we know, we've got a fetus in the same situation. >> if the baby is less than perfect, the baby doesn't deserve to live? >> it's not a baby, because it is a fetus. i don't think that fetus -- there's any right to keep a dead body circulating in order to incubate a fetus. to me, that's ghoulish. it's invasion of the body snatchers. >> let's continue this conversation on twitter. i would like to know w...

>> so make it plain, what is the law? how does it read? >> if somebody is in a persistent vegetative state, in a coma, not when somebody is clinically dead. you can't say we're talking about life support, when every state in the union defines her as dead. >> do you think this will be reversed in a court? >> i don't know. i think particularly in texas, where there is this intense opposition to abortion and anything that would limit the life of a fetus, i wouldn't want to predict how this would come out. >> how can a dead person bring a live baby to birth? >> there are two categories of death. b...

Where there is this intense opposition to abortion and anything that would limit the life of a fetus, i wouldn't want to predict how this would come out. >> how can a dead person bring a live baby to birth? >> there are two categories of death. brain death, which she is, and then there is circulatory, whether you have the vascular -- >> we're talking about semantics. the bottom line is, you have a child -- because i disagree with you, jeff. a 20-week-old. >> they don't know, because they feel -- or they can sense a heart beat. they don't know -- remember, this is a woman who lost oxygen for a ...

More complicated this begins because when she reaches -- when that pregnancy reaches a point of viability, then the whole picture changes. >> we should note here that the hospital has said that they are simply following the law. there have been advocates who said that depends on your interpretation of the law. one thing is clear though. according to texas law regarding pregnant patients, "a person may not withdraw or withhold life sustaining treatment under this subchapter from a pregnant patient" but the law does not require the state of texas to pick up the bill when the family has to keep h...

Tragedy here. because this is not a controversy. brain death has been the standard since the 1970s. it's not like this is some new innovation. >> what about the issue of family consent, because my understanding is, in new jersey, it may be the only place in america that has this. there is a right of consent that exists for a family in this position to go against the advice of the physicians to turn off life support. so it does exist in new jersey. if they were in new jersey, they could do this legally, why does it not exist elsewhere? >> because there is -- and frankly, i don't know much about...