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That i've heard that you -- you were involved with some other senators with some meetings this week. where are we on this? is there going to be the so-called grand bargain? is anything -- any progress been made? >> well, what i'm trying to bring to the table here is, first, defining the problem. appreciated the president reaching out and appreciate the president and his staff continuing to engage us. and, you know, i realize the white house is eager to get toward, you know, putting solutions on the table, which republicans are eager to find those solutions as well, but until we agree on the si...

>> but none of that saves you money this year. >> actually, it saves you money within the budget window. we can still, by the way, do some of the sequester. there's still fat in the discretionary budget, but the real drivers, again, are long te term. and you begin to gradually change that, you change the fiscal outlook of the country a lot quicker than you do with sequester. >> john heilemann is here in his tom ford jacket, and he has a question for you. >> congressman, i'm a little confused about the way republicans have been talking about the sequester especially with respect to defense. whe...

Their discussions. if you look at it, it's accurate. if you look at the offer that the president made in mid-december, or if you look at the president's budget, he actually accomplishes a shared debt over the budget window. and it involves tax increases and spending cuts. where i think the hi pock k hi is so clear here, it's -- i'm thinking of the congressional budget office, major scorekeeper in this town agrees. you simply can't achieve a sustainable budget without both. we have a group of republicans who were stone walled on boet and were only recently forced to swallowing what is actually ...

That they promised when ryan was brought on the ticket, that there was going to be some heart truths. what was a hard truth that you heard that you think the american people would be uncomfortable but had he to deliver it? >> right off the start, in terms of defending the budget, they want an offset on medicare bau president obama has passed a law that loots medical care to the current budget window to pay for the unpopular partisan health care law. that's a fact. it is paul ryan and governor romney that actually have a plan to save medicare for future generations without affecting current ret...

Course has been a budget hawk throughout your tenure in the house and now the senate. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> great to have you here. what should paul ryan say when joe biden goes after him on how devastating, these are biden's words, devastating the budget cuts would on discretionary domestic spending if he sticks to the defense entitlement and tax postures that he's outlined? >> well, a few things, andrea. one is the simple fact that over the ten-year budget window of the ryan budget, spending on average grows yfr year. it grows by 3% a year. so most americans -- >> ...