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Could use budget gimmicks within the budget, with the budget operating process that they can bring a $4.3 trillion bill down to a $1.5 trillion bill by just changing the sunsetses and years and when it phases in. but if they keep those same policies, in fact, it may only be a $1.5 trillion bill for a year to two years, but, in fact, over a ten-year budget window it could cost $6-7 trillion. so when representative jayapal says it s all about the policies and not the numbers, she wants to keep everything that s within the current $4.3 trillion bill but just change the sunset so it s only one or two years and phase it in over a period of time so that they actually get a $7-8 trillion bill which is actually much worse than whats it is right now. griff: take me, congressman, to tuesday and this expected vote. how will your fellow republicans approach this, and how will you ....
Somewhere in manchin s range is what of the policy priorities are they willing to sacrifice and how? is it means testing? is it limiting the amount spent? is it lessening the budget window? those are huge discussions to have on any one component. but we re going to have them on four or five or six or even eight components. a key factor is shortening the duration of the bill making it a five-year bill not a ten-year so therefore you cut in half the amount of money. joe crowley, have we seen president biden as a real facilitator, mediator, you know, getting it done? or has he been laying back and letting nancy pelosi corral these folks? i think there is a lot behind the scenes going on. we saw it last night at the baseball game. a lot of discussions going on. i think there is back and forth. maybe not as public as we would like to see. but i think that the president has a role to play and will play ....
To do that you gotta fit into this budget window. is the expectation that notwithstanding the phaseout and so on, all of these will ultimately not be repealed ever in the just continue to grow and once they grow and start. guest: absolutely, social security or medicare. paul, one of the entitlements is prekindergarten. that does phaseout under the budget window and can there be one the american public out there trying to follow this who does not believe that pre-k entitlement is permanent. like the rest of these entitlements and that being the case, when those moments arrive and they have to be reappropriated, the pressure will be certainly the republicans are anyone in congress to reappropriated all of these entitlements. they just will be continued permanently so no matter how much budget window they are putting on these ten years or ....
bret: president biden being asked about the giant, giant bill up on capitol hill 3.5 trillion he said we are going to pay for everything we spend. it s all paid for. this is now the wall street journal writes it. budget tricks disguise the true cost of bifned. entitlement. democrats find way to cradle to welfare statement demanding what they claim 3.5 trillion over 0 years. the truth is that even that gargantuan number hides the real cost of their plans. the bills moving through committees are full of delayed starts, phony phaseouts and cost shifting to states designed to fit 3.5 trillion into a 10-year budget window that can pass with a mere 51 senate votes. even if the bill shrinks to $2 trillion or less the real costs will be far greater behold one of the greatest fiscal cons in history. wall street journal back with the panel. harold, you have been on capitol hill. you know how this works, the sausage making is ugly but for the president to say it s all ....
Trillion. they have in the proposal a bunch of gimmicks in that program will only last a year and this will only last five, this is only going to last eight. they have $100 billion to the tax credit, the democrats have already said we have this for covid and we want to renew it for next year so you work the numbers out on that if you renew it for ten years, for the rest of the budget window. it s another $900 billion on top of it. so this is a $5.5 trillion expansion of the social welfare benefits with no work requirements and all kinds of goofy new programs in it. it s a branch of government like we ve never seen. dana: but there is a bipartisan agreement so far, we will see how far it goes. do you see that a separate and apart from this or as some people are saying, republicans ....