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Busing on his, you know, praise of working with some segregationist senators? would that be a misstep right now? >> well, i mean given that -- take for example the busing issue, that seem tuesday have been debated actually before i was born, so i'm not just as a one democrat and as a member of congress, but as a voter i'm much more interested in the issues and the ideas that will lead us through the 20s this upcoming decade being debated and discussed rather than going back to the 1970s. i do hope also while individual candidates are going to pursue their own strategies, i do hope that we focu...

Such a firestorm. >> bill: she made the comment about the benjamins a few months ago late winter, early spring. a week ago nancy pelosi was accused of racism, the women of color comment from aoc. >> and that is why -- >> a week before that joe biden on the busing issue. you wonder in this political campaign, is racism the phrase, is that the subject line that too many things are often put into as a characterization, howie? >> i think often that's the case. it is an he's charge to reach for. i also think the democratic party itself is spending too much time debating busing in the 1970s and goin...

Terms of race. we were talking about a post-racial america, steve. that doesn't exist and didn't exist at the time. but yet that was the conversation we were having. so i think joe biden just needs to sort of get a little bit more current with how we are actually talking about race, how we are discussing policy issues that impact communities of color. that way he can say things that will resonate with those constituencies. >> one thing i've been wondering too when you look, john, on the poll at the democratic side. biden seems to have fallen about 6 points on average from predebate to post deb...

Just black people who use twitter, but influential black people and social activists who work on social justice and racial justice issues. the busing issue for joe biden had been a topic of discussion for many, many, many months. and the reap why the rose to the level of being the topic in a debate is because kamala harris clearly has people who are keeping an eye on that conversation. so here in the mainstream media, we may not be privy to that conversation that's happening intra -- between black bepeople but also on anita hill and the crime bill. and so that's what i think we saw. i also wan...

I think it's elizabeth warren, i'm sorry, bernie sanders within five points. >> tammy: still, that's misleading because, of course, this is going state by state. you are looking at most of this is like national approval. it's going to show very differently as they go into each state for the primaries. and then it is -- the debates is still going to matter. this attitude. >> i don't feel about kamala's reversal on the busing issue back and forth. >> juan: pressure on the left. all of you guys saying on the panel today. to my mind, the only way we have made progress on civil rights in this count...