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State, primary state, where the african-american vote is very important. and is strong. so he is going there to try to sort of reclaim his base and make sure that he is staying on steady ground with this community. >> and he is there in sumpter which we should know was a key battleground spot in the civil war and trying to fight within the democratic party. in the meantime, he brought up the busing issue. and i know that reporters over the last few days have been asking him about busing after the debate. but you get a sense that he should just let it go and move on? >> yeah, that was kind of m...

I think it's elizabeth warren, i'm sorry, bernie sanders within five points. >> tammy: still, that's misleading because, of course, this is going state by state. you are looking at most of this is like national approval. it's going to show very differently as they go into each state for the primaries. and then it is -- the debates is still going to matter. this attitude. >> i don't feel about kamala's reversal on the busing issue back and forth. >> juan: pressure on the left. all of you guys saying on the panel today. to my mind, the only way we have made progress on civil rights in this count...

Very -- >> and people know, he's repeating people know me. >> that should actually be his campaign slogan, people know me, you know me. you hear him say that over and over and over again. >> to be fair, first of all, on the busing issue, kamala harris's actual position and biden's actual position are not that far apart and senator harris has had her instances on what is her position on employee funded health care plans. is she for them or against them? >> this is one of the cases where we've got the policy and politics. on the policy, we've got the candidates early in the race figuring out wha...

He had a terrible reaction. >> he wasn't prepared. >> no and about running against a woman, a lot of the men on stage i believe are having trouble on how to -- i don't want to say attack -- but how to counter a woman and biden had trouble with that. he needs to go out and explain the busing issue, right? because i was very young at the time. i remember the busing issue. the busing issue was the result of a colossal political failure which was to provide quality education to minorities, right? and the last resort was a judge said we're going to take little children and we're going to put them o...

And lays out how to challenge trump and beat him and outlines what he'll do with china, nato. let's bring in the washington brew chief for the daily beast, and national correspondent for the "washington post." just on the busing issue, why are we talking about this? not a single democratic can't, jackie, is proposing busing as a policy for today. and i get the undertones of this issue more broadly, but are you surprised that it's had so much life in this debate? >> i think it's had so much life in part because of how kamala harris took it to joe biden during the debate. we were talking about t...