and lays out how to challenge trump and beat him and outlines what he'll do with china, nato. let's bring in the washington brew chief for the daily beast, and national correspondent for the "washington post." just on the busing issue, why are we talking about this? not a single democratic can't, jackie, is proposing busing as a policy for today. and i get the undertones of this issue more broadly, but are you surprised that it's had so much life in this debate? >> i think it's had so much life in part because of how kamala harris took it to joe biden during the debate. we were talking about this earlier. this is all joe biden's fault. he's the one who was talking about working with segregationists, he's the one who brought this into the debate, and he can't seem to get himself out of it, saying -- he doesn't want to admit that he was at fault. he doesn't want to admit he did anything wrong. he just -- he wants to keep on explaining his -- what he did then and not back down, which is