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it's also pretty shocking to see as somebody who attended columbia university a long time ago now. i graduated in 2006. there was no overt anti-semitism on the campus that i ever experienced. there were no undertones i was aware of either at the time. it was not a topic of discussion that we had on a daily basis among the undergraduate population. it's really sad to see state university leadership is in. to see the state of the student is in. with israeli and jewish students and i have to mention, sandra, there's a large contingency of jewish students at columbia and barnard in particular, they go out of the way to recruit jewish students, they are an active part of campus life. it is sort of extra tragic to see this unfolding there. >> sandra: cb cotton on the scene she is the latest from columbia, what's happening right now?

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Inside With Jen Psaki

are unwilling to accept defeat. in fact, he called trump's big lie the second lost cause. >> now, we are living in an era of a second lost cause, which again, there's some in this country trying to turn a loss into a lie, of lie which if allowed to live with once again bring terrible damage to this country. this time, a lie is about the 2020 election. >> and he did not at all shy away from bringing up the racist undertones and the violence that unfolded during the insurrection. >> we saw something on january 6th we haven't seen before even during the civil war. insurrectionists waving confederate flags inside the halls of congress built by enslaved americans. a mob attacked and called black officers, black veterans defending the nation, vial of racist names. >> my next guest has been very vocal about the ways trump's big lie threatens to

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Inside With Jen Psaki

is becoming inseparable from his legal cases. first of all, in many ways, i extension victimizedthatit extension victimizedthatit >> not on but the big question , lot about trump. speech today commemorating the anniversary of a mass shooting by white supremacist at mother emanuel church in charleston, south carolina. in a pretty bold comparison, the president likened trump's election gia denialism to the end of the civil war when the former confederate states who are unwilling to accept defeat. in fact, he called trump's big lie the second lost cause. >> now, we are living in an era of a second lost cause, which again, there's some in this country trying to turn a loss into a lie, of lie which if allowed to live with once again bring terrible damage to this country. this time, a lie is about the 2020 election. >> and he did not at all shy away from bringing up the racist undertones and the violence that unfolded during the insurrection. >> we saw something on january 6th we haven't seen before even during the civil war. insurrectionists waving confederate flags inside the halls of congress built by enslaved americans. a mob attacked and called black officers, black veterans defending the nation, vial of racist names. >> my next guest has been very vocal about the ways trump's big lie threatens to disenfranchise the very people who struggle the most to gain an exercise their right to vote. joining me now is sherrilyn ifill.

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CNN News Central

and i think all universities need this, is a deep conversation about issues of free speech, and issues of anti- semitism, islamophobia, and lots of other issues that campuses face. it doesn't help when people are trying to force decisions on the campus from outside. i think that anytime people are thinking or feeling pressured because of who they are or feeling under attack because of who they are, that something a university needs to take seriously, and it's not people like elise stefanik that were pressing claudine gay on capitol hill. people like right wing trolls and billionaires are not asking us to take this issue seriously. i hope what happens in the future with new leadership at harvard is, we will have an opportunity to step out and say, we will examine these issues and decide what the path forward is, so we can have both academic freedom and freedom of speech on campus. >> professor, there are undertones here, long-held

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Deadline White House

judge there, and that goes to the racial overtons or undertones that basil is talking about. they are tough judges for him compared to some of the others. they are ones when he shows up in court and he needs to for the criminal cases, he can expect to get his ears boxed if he acts up as maybe his campaign strategy to do. one final point. the wild card here, which maybe the first criminal trial for good or bad is the bragg new york case involving stormy daniels. then it will be a war of words as this is a sexual misbehavior case or an attempt to influence the campaign and of a moment at least with some of his other more deeds. >> i'm going to giveout last question. hope you spent your holidays enjoying eggnog or being with your family, doing what normal people do. because donald trump spent the

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HARDtalk

were my parents fighters? probably. you were named after two ira men. that's very true. suggests your mum was a fighter. that clearly suggests my mum was a fighter. my dad was chairman of the labour party in derry when there was such a thing, he was branch secretary of his local union. both my parents were deeply involved in the civil rights movement and i have vivid recollections of being ten years old and being taken on civil rights marches all over ireland, all throughout northern ireland, my family were on burntollet the day that parade was attacked, my family were there at bloody sunday, and my family were deeply engaged in trying to change a corrupt political system in northern ireland. so, here's one of the fascinating things about you. i mean, here we see it, and you have a cause and are a fighter now for that cause, but what's fascinating about you as a musician — because i want to talk about you as a musician — is that you and your bandmates in the undertones, when you had that great success as part of the punk era of the sort of late �*70s, early �*80s,

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HARDtalk

you, despite your upbringing, chose not to sing political songs. here's the thing. the undertones developed a career because of a little bar called the casbah. it was the only pub in town that would actually entertain the fact that five kids with no idea what they were doing, and we were given a bit of space on a friday night. right outside the door of the casbah was a british army checkpoint. so, simply to get in and out of that pub, you basically would have to be searched, name checked, date of birth, run through computer — all that kind of good stuff. do you really think the 50 people turning up to watch the undertones on a friday night needed us to give them a lecture about bombs, bullets and barricades? we, like every healthy... or was it that maybe you were intimidated to a certain extent? oh, no, good lord, not in the least. it wasn't that, it wasn't fear? i can absolutely assure you the last bunch of people you ever could possibly intimidate was the five members

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HARDtalk

of the undertones! like every other healthy teenager on the planet, we were more obsessed with more songs about chocolate and girls. exactly. what you sang about was the usual teenage dreams, the longings, the girls, the frustrations with your family, it was...it was the stuff of ordinary life... correct. ..which in a funny sort of way was sort of avoiding the reality of what you were living through. well, it's not, because that was actually allowing us that moment of freedom and that head space and that moment of clarity, because the truth is nobody in northern ireland at the time sat around thinking, "oh, this is dreadful, this is terrible." everybody, as best they could, was trying to get on with normal lives. and, in fact, that situation, like all forms of poverty and oppression and difficulty and suffrage, becomes normal. and i'll give you a very simple example. the first time we as the undertones went to new york, i had spent weeks reading articles and national newspapers about the crime rate on manhattan island

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HARDtalk

and the death toll that there was and the likelihood if i walked out of my hotel on 42nd street, i'd be mugged within seconds, and about half an hour in times square, my brain engaged and just went, "sharkey, ten hours ago, you were standing in the bog side. "there's nothing new york is ever going to throw you, "my friend, that will ever put you off your beat." why did you quit so young? you formed the undertones with your mates in, i think, �*75. yeah. you were out by �*83. still, hugely popular. we were, but that's — the simple truth of the matter is i then had a longing for other things and wanted to go in different directions. we were settling down. some people want to stay in derry, some people wanted to make different — particular types of records, and you're dealing with any little group of friends that effectively met when we were teenagers. i just wonder if there's something about the music business you really didn't like, cos you said afterwards, not so long after you left, you just said, "i couldn't go on making the kind of

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