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I'm intrigued. >> i don't want a check mate. i'm just saying i've heard it. >> lightning round, your other nominees but short. >> i would go with the governments in arizona and colorado. i mean, seeing those teachers talk about something to sling burgers and wait tables to educate our kids is appalling. i want to see teachers get a livi living wage. >> mitt romney when he's rooting for the jazz. he's wearing a jersey with his own name on the back. >> with a collared shirt. >> with a button down. >> really. really. >> it's who nounsed wick wick wac. >> by the way, the hip hop community wants to...

Something that hasn't happened in 30 years, able to happen under this president's leadership. it is a different form that we're used to. we're more used to this button down, you know, politician that sort of goes through every issue, through a political lens and starts looking at -- this guy is a business man, he looks at it differently. he looks for the end result, that matters more than process. d.c. is in a town that obsesses in process. he's getting the results. look at the economic numbers, the trade stuff going forward. he made a promise to the voters when he came in he would look at iss...

To become isolationists and start to pull away from those responsibilities. that is a major issue that needs to be debated in this country. >> from your knowledge, i also want to button down what people say, that there wasn't a call from president obama to john kelly's family. do you know if that is true and if there's hard feelings there? >> i don't know if that's true, because frankly that occurred before i became secretary of defense. presidents do make calls. they certainly do write to those families. i think it's fair to say that because of obligations, they're not going to make calls to ...

And who is whispering and controlling the president. they call the shots. barack obama called the shots. this is donald trump. he's not going to change. >> david, what is your reaction to the west wing turmoil with kelly? >> yeah, so i think david is right, but at least the component of this, i assume for general kelly has to be that he's been a long-time government servant. he wants, he has a sense of patriotism. the problem is that you get to a point where there's a fine line between staying with it because of your sense of duty and enabling what i have to assume he sees as conduct unbecomin...

General. rex tillerson is a former ceo with exxon, 40 years, and there's a mismatch because president trump is not one of these button-down, buckle-down guys. he's sort of an improviser and a habitual line-stepper and it's a misstep between employees and employer. >> a source close to cnn says kelly is like the janitor, the latest guy brought in to clean up. we're talking about a four-star marine general who lost his son in combat. this has to be galling to anyone who has served in the military or supports what they do. >> yeah, they always remember your exit. they always remember the last job...