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About the e-mail so people can know what was in here. this is an excerpt from a treasury attorney e-mail and says i don't know who in our organization is keeping tabs on c-4s but since we mentioned potentially addressing them, offplan, in 2013, i have may radar up and this seemed interesting. it goes back to 2010 in terms of scrutiny and it is stunning the president believes this is over especially since mitchell says it is still going on today. >> i asked the attorney general if there is still on ongoing criminal investigation and i

Influence by being able to funnel millions of undisclosed dollars into campaigns with ads that distort the truth and attack government. it's clear we are not going it pass anything legislatively as long as the house of representatives is in republican control. but there are many things that can be done by the irs and other government agencies, and we have to redouble those efforts. >> and joining us now from washington is senator chuck schumer. now, you seem to be saying the irs should scrutinize the tea party, a conservative group when there are liberal groups like media matters and the cente...

Is what we needed to do and we will come back tomorrow and govern the state more. >> it was amazing. especially the verocity she went after this. >> she is is a very underrated political talent. >> i wonder why. does she ever do anything? my biggest surprise is when the so-called irs scandal broke. i said let me read the actual statute. we get it. it's 100 years old and it says that civil leagues or organizes, 501 c-4s, not organized for profit, but must be not organizationed for profit but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare and say how can i possibly be doing any of this...

Influencing the political outcomes in the country. to me, that is not healthy. >> correct me if i am wrong, unions are exempt from that because they are 501 c 5s. >> this applies to 501 c 4s. this is the kind of change that ought to be made by the congress, legislative branch, people elected to make these kind of decisions and not unilaterally by the executive. this is part of a much larger pattern. a little much getting subpoena not take matching funds. this guy by the standards of finance campaign reform is complete outlaw. i would say goes further than stifling speech it stifles political e...

End january. there may be a public -- hearing. and itch tf the normal regulati process is allowed to work. final regulations will emerge in a couple years. >> julian epstein is set in stone. but what the treasury clearly indicates, they want to move toward claire frity and try to certainly what they call candidate related political activity out of 501 c 4s. >> some what out of it. they should put a footnote out of this program. this program. it is a significant move. it clarifies what has been lacking in clarity for the last 50 years.