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That information. i'll get to that. >> mike: the irs itself, former irs commissioner mark everson there bad leadership of the irs. basically the irs is a mess. this is what he had to say. >> a convergence of really bad mismanagement. you can't take your hand off the rudder. it's a large organization and you have to be looking at all of it. commissioner said i didn't particularly interested in this piece of agency. i stayed away because it is sensitive. >> it's kind of like the secretary of state saying, the jewish people are concerned about israel so i'm not going to go into the mideast you fe...

Organization of great complexity. he said i did not get particularly interested, i was not particularly interested in this piece of the agency. i stayed away from it because it is sensitive. well, it is kind of like the secretary of state saying, gee, the jewish people get very concerned about israel so i'm not going on wade into the mideast. you can't do that. you have to do the whole agency and that included these c-4s, which you know were generating quite a bit of controversy. so it was unl fortune, the way it was handled. >> you worked for president george w. bush when you were heading up ...

Organization part of the service. and then you had a failure of management at the intermediary level i would say where lois was supervising the operation but took a year for her to get involved and take a look at the criteria and then took a full two years at least for the criteria that were investigated to be corrected. that is way too long. and then frankly i would tell you the third failure which was very disturbing is was in the front office. this issue was no secret. people were very open about it. congress was asking about the c 4s and you in the media were sort of raising questions abou...

Revolved promptly. what was happening in the front office there was no secret here. i was getting calls in '11 and '12 from people saying what is going on at the irs with the c 4s. i declined to answer that because i didn't know much about it. obviously it was of great interest to many people with congressional letters going in. the front office should have learned about it. shed ulmans it testimony should have been different and the record corrected as soon as he knew that his testimony was incorrect. >> greta: i think he did know. i'm looking at the testimony and he says i think there has be...

Revolved promptly. what was happening in the front office there was no secret here. i was getting calls in '11 and '12 from people saying what is going on at the irs with the c 4s. i declined to answer that because i didn't know much about it. obviously it was of great interest to many people with congressional letters going in. the front office should have learned about it. shed ulmans it testimony should have been different and the record corrected as soon as he knew that his testimony was incorrect. >> greta: i think he did know. i'm looking at the testimony and he says i think there has be...