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Violation of constitutional rights here. kevin just mentioned. this whole idea what curriculum you're teaching, how are you teaching it and to whom you are teaching it to violate first amendment free speech and freedom of association clauses. all of those are combined in basically a one very significant lawsuit representing 25 groups. we're also asked for an injunction so the practices stop because bill, they have not. this is a continuous and ongoing violation by the internal revenue servicers still to this day? >> right now. i will tell you that we received last week in our office in additio...

>> so tell me about the letters. who were they sent to and when were they sent? >> there were multiple letters whether al frannen, chuck schumer and five of their democrat colleagues in the senate wrote in february of 2012 and then again in march 2012 asking the irs to crack down on what they said political organizations who were set up as 501-c-4s. and we it though who they were targeting. they were americans for prosperi prosperity, cross roads gps, other tea party related organizations. it even goes back to 2010 where senator max baucus started to request the irs look and investigate these ...

Pending. they're functionally operating at c 4s without having that stamp of approval. you can go and ask the irs to do it but you don't necessarily have to. what's funnier, you worked in politics, any political consultant with two brain cells can come up with this idea to make a c 4, i can raise gargantuan sums from corporations, all behind god's back, don't have to disclose, i can pay myself a salary, nothing illegal about any of it. the scandal to me is that the irs has been so lax enforcing the law, as you pointed out, as congresswoman norton points out, enforce the rules written in the st...

Qualify. in and this is through on the left as well with priorities usa. they had a similar group. why should they qualify for tax exempt status as a social welfare group? a lot of people are asking that and didn't whether there was a surge or not i think there was disagreement about that. didn't the irs have a problem getting a handle on what groups did or didn't qualify under the tax code 501 c4 status? >> 401 c4s have been around for a long time and the democrats on the left have used these to do some politics and a lot of social welfare. naacp voter fund ran a $20 million advertising blitz...

Were not allowed to influence elections but now are. the supreme court when they allowed this money to go in, assumed it would be disclosed. and yet it is not. the congress can take really common sense steps to, a, pass entirely disclosure legislation that would disincentivize people from setting up the c-4 groups which can serve as the vehicles for dark money. c-4 groups spend $250 million on those types of ads in the 2012 election without telling the american public who was funding their sources. that's the real scandal here. we can have -- disclosure legislation and you can bar c-4s set u...