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day you launch, it show es how professional you are. that's the one day, kind of like the first attack, you know? mike tyson had the joke, everybody has a plan until somebody gets punched in the face the first time. this is the first punch, and you control that. as jen knows far better than me, and rev knows, who has run before, far better than me, after the punch, you don't control anything. it's all incoming. it's all how you respond to incoming. it's what candidate you are. john heilemann, based on that, on that measurement, it really was an embarrassment for the desantis campaign. say they broke the internet, ended up with 700,000 people. if they'd gone on fox, would have had well over a million people. gone on a lot of cable news shows, they would have had over a million. broadcast, they would have had probably even more people.
punch, you don't control everything. it's all incoming. it shows what candidate you are. john heilemann, based on that measurement, it really was an embarrassment for the desantis campaign. i mean, they say they broke the internet. they ended up with 200,000 people watching, listening, whatever they were doing. if they'd gone on fox, they would have had well over 1 million people. if they'd gone on, well, a lot of cable news shows, they would have had over a million. if they'd gone on broadcast, they'd probably have even more people. if they'd gone on, you know, some other show. it seems they made the worst of all choices. that said, though, this was, this was for a candidate and also for, like, silicon valley tech engineers who hate the mainstream media, not engineers, titans who hate the mainstream media, hate wokeness, to put
they don't care about justice being fair. >> every day you have these hacks trying to shape public opinion. >> sean hannity sees a world where media people blatantly lie to their viewers about things they don't believe for a second, as he put it. a cynicism that may come from his own confession, and which, again, puts media attacks in a different light. >> almost all so-called journalists on other network and cable news shows, they're liberal socialist democrats. they're an extension of all things the new green deal radical socialists. they are biassed, they are partisan, they are political operatives. they pretend their opinions with actually facts and, they're not. even sometimes refer to themselves as quote, fact checkers that need a fact checking. >> i want to you hear that because it didn't sound good the first time, second time, or any number of times. here's a fact check. trump lost the election.
>> inject those biden votes. hannity says under oath he didn't believe it. then you go to the top, where the really powerful people -- you don't usually see them on tv. the billionaires, most of them, they're pla murdoch doing billie things. but he did email about giuliani when he first began touting the fraud claims and said, this is really damaging stuff. >> almost all so-called journalists on other network and cable news shows, they're liberal socialist democrats. they're an extension of all things the new green deal radical socialists. they are biassed, partisan, political operatives. they pretend their opinion are fact, and they're not. even sometimes referring to themselves as, quote, fact checkers that need a fact checking. >> that's sean hannity attacking others for what might apply to
deter what i need to do. it is very disturbing and upsetting nonetheless. >> it is also disturbing because the people who are spreading this rhetoric, it doesn't affect them. they can do it from their well lit home studios, you know, on podcasts and cable news shows. it doesn't affect them. it's the messages that they are spreading though go out and apparently people like this guy run with them and actually take action based on them. >> you're right. from the safety of their homes, you know, they're spreading these lies. we have gullible people who don't question anything. you know, i am surprised people don't question anything sometimes. they've in their own minds decided that trump is all
the people who are at the heart spreading this rhetoric, it does not affect them. they can do it from their well lit home studios, on podcasts and cable news shows. it is not affect them, it's the messages they're spreading going out, and apparently people like this guy runs with them and take action based on them. >> no, you are right. from the safety of their homes, you know, they're spreading these lies. we have gullible people who don't question anything. i am surprised the people who question anything at times. they end their own minds have decided that trump is all
we have seen some ugly rhetoric, frankly, on some cable news shows, on talk radio, definitely online targeting gay people, trans people. that attack happened on the eve the transgender visibility. i'll share today, erica, just last week, adl and glad announced a strategic partnership. we literally have a new analyst joining our team from glad just to track extremism and hate, because we see is so before related with the types of hate that targets the jewish community often. we're going to work together. >> an important relationship and important to share the resources, and what a sad commentary on the state of things in this country, that there is such a need for it. jonathan greenblatt, appreciate
appreciate what he's done in florida, he has a winning path, and if they say we prefer desantis because he's proven effective and actually win, a -- then we'll see. howard: but with trump announcing tuesday night and we don't know when or if desantis gets in, we wouldn't hear from the actual voters for another year. if desantis does run, would much of the media give him sympathetic coverage just to get rid of trump? >> first of all, the media's going to be one thing. they will go out and talk to conservative cable news, some cable news shows will want to give him probably a pretty positive look, especially ones that believe like many conservatives do believe that trump is now a loser. he's lost three times in a row -- howard: 2018, 2020 -- >> -- and 2032. however, desantis endorsed all the same candidates that lost that donald trump did too. yes, there's no doubt that desantis is attracting
she black-black. she went to howard. when she talk to you -- she's so regular and approachable. >> really is. >> it's unfortunate that more people don't see that. there's also the dumbing down of the american electorate. >> tucker: we could go on and on. we could read excerpts from tiffany cross' book, which are brimming with racial hostility. we could play you a million clips from joy reid, which are exactly the same, filled with open racial hostility. you get the point, and if you don't believe it, tune into msnbc. it's not about that channel or those hosts. it's about a society that thinks that's okay. where it's not really about diversity. it's about hating other people on the basis of their race. it's a little bewildering to the rest of us, that the whole point of america was that we're judged by the content of our character, not the color of our skin. all of a sudden racial areductions don't simply have the floor and the platform on cable news shows, but have
president , and you know, there are only three black black. okay, so you went to howard, okay? and when she talks to you, it is i mean, she found so regular ,she so regular and relatable. and i just it's unfortunate that more people don't do that. >> and there's also just the dumbing down of the american electorate. we could go on and on. we could read excerpts from tiffany cross' book, which are brimming with racial hostility . we could play you a million clips from joy read , which are exactly the same, filled with open racial hostility. but you get the point. >> and if you don't believe us , just go ahead and tune in to msnbc. but it's not really about that. channel or those hosts. it's about a society that thinks that's okay. we're it's not really about diversity. it's about hating other people on the basis of their race. and it's a little bewildering to the rest of us . thought the whole point of out of america was that we're aspiring to a country where we are judged by the content of our character, not the color of our skin. and all of a sudden, racial reductionists don't simply have the floor and the platform on cable news shows, but have