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Against him. >> i would imagine that maryland governor larry hogan might be looking at those poll numbers pretty carefully right now. we know that he's kind of distanced himself from the national -- he's openly entertained the prospect of -- or he hasn't ruled out a challenge against him. but i do think you're starting to see the president's re-election message really come into sharp focus here because we've seen the message will be very similar to the nationalist america first message of 2016 and also what he tried to bring in during the 2018 midterm campaign. but we're starting to see that p...

>> possibly with fox news. a major report from the new yorker on the proximity of the white house and fox news with the major next being bill shine. he was still receiving severance payments from fox news while he was earning money at the white house. people at the white house were aware of that. but, there is a lot of pete right now in that relationship between the trump white house and fox news, not only it is something that's potentially difficult for the trump white house but it is something that's potentially risky for fox news. i don't think any of these things happen entirely in a vacuu...

Things happen entirely in a vacuum. there is something a little face shaving of shine moving onto the campaign side. the trump operation being too close to fox news but it does get him being out of that and on receiving payments from fox news. >> phil, there was the president today in what we come to know as his black crisis raincoat regardless it seems of current weather conditions, signing copies of the bible as an author would at a book signing. that's the kind of event photo opportunity that communications director would say either that's a great idea, boss or let's not have you do this. w...

Story? >> i red the book, i worked in government when he was making his way up the ranks of the fbi, and i said something to him that i don't think it is a compliment, but he was known as being very loyal to processes, chain of command. >> that is not necessarily compliment from a campaign side. but throughout his career he really sort of respected -- did not color outside of the lines so this narrative, and he is a lifelong republican, like me, and he is someone i think that is pained to see and ask the question is the american president an agent not just of any foreign power but an american ...

Of an expression of this divide as any. >> sure. because i cover the white house and donald trump, on the campaign side for that, sources sort of familiar with that, you know who they're looking at very interestedly is howard schultz just as much as democrats are as well. buzz that changes a lot of the ways they're going to go strategies and plan and do some of their -- >> are they looking at him with enthusiasm? >> obviously enthusiasm. it changes the way they would end up doing some of the things in their strategy moving forward. >> howard schultz is sort of a budding campaign. it's not offi...