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we have a number of electricians, mechanics, car cleaners that we need to operate a world class system. we maintain for basic safety. we don't have the funds right now to maintain for cleanliness and convenience. we have a structural problem and we will do what we need to do to bring the budget this year but this does not address the rest of the gap that we have underfunded for years if not decades. i put that as context because to the extent that we're able to identify funding for this initiative, which i think is laudable, we would still be making a trade-off verses those of their ...

i think this time should really be for the public and i'm not going to be able to stay. i'll watch the tape of this later and very interested to hear what the public discussion and the committee's discussion is. but thank you for the tunalt. and if there's any questions, would be happy to try to answer them. >> thank you, general manager riskin. supervisor campos. supervisor campos: i wanted to say that i think all the points that mr. riskin raised are points that hopefully will be part of the discussion in terms of what this looks like and the scope of this program. the reality is t...

as an either/or in terms of protecting the system we have right now and not hurting it. i think that in fact, you know, there's a way in which you can do both. and still achieve our objectives. but i look forward to that discussion. and again, i want to thank you and your staff for all the work that has gone into it. and all the work that i know will go into it between now and the time that we, you know, take action on this. >> and just want to make sure that as we move forward on trying to achieve the way we were going to handle free muni for youth, we can commit your staff in that ...

of we know we want to make sure that we have as wide of ridership as we can and we want an investment in having a broad net in terms of the future generation of riders. but i think those are all discussions that we need to have. and it's important to raise those issues and i don't see it as an either/or in terms of protecting the system we have right now and not hurting it. i think that in fact, you know, there's a way in which you can do both. and still achieve our objectives. but i look forward to that discussion. and again, i want to thank you and your staff for all the work that ...

nature. there's a cost associated with that. and the feasibility of that has to be weighed against the cost of applying it to the entire population. there's also -- i've heard from people concerns that if you do it by income, you don't want to have stigma created where you have muni or the m.t.a. becomes the poor kids' mode of transportation. and then there's larger issue of we know we want to make sure that we have as wide of ridership as we can and we want an investment in having a broad net in terms of the future generation of riders. but i think those are all discussions that we ...