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Does it look like in the future? if federal cases, if he wins p presidency, he could pardon himself, but he can't do this in georgia. how does this all work? >> brian: you get a snack? >> i don't know if there are snacks involved. on that question, there is a lot of twists and your honor its. biggest question is the timing of the matters. what trial goes first and when, before or after the primary, before or after the convention or the general election in november. the challenge with the georgia case, the governor, the president cannot pardon anyone convicted, in that case, it would go to a fi...

Of the movie "goodfellas" and organized crime and mobsters. certainly rico can be used to prosecute folks like that. but what it is targeted after is criminal enterprises. when people act as a group and carry out criminal acts sort of in succession. and here that's the allegation, that that happened in the state of georgia. now, it can carry a five-year mandatory minimum sentence. judges in georgia have a little latitude to go below that. >> understood. if you can briefly before i get to pardon, which is an important distinction here, if you were to look at all these charges as a lawyer and a ...

President again, cannot pardon himself from the state of georgia's indictment. that is a very important. jack smith, special counsel's indictments, the federal indictments, if the former president or to become president again and pardon himself in those cases, if he pardoned himself there, even though the department of justice theoretically could appeal that issue through the court system, up through the supreme court, remember it would be donald trump's department of justice we don't know what would happen there. we can guess. there would probably be no appeal of that particular party. >> bas...

This entire mueller probe and the whole trump presidency, when you think about it, that a former trump aide has actually been hit with charges that his old boss, donald trump, cannot pardon. keeping that in mind, we turn to an all-star panel, former three assistant d.a.s for manhattan, mowsha horn, a criminal defense attorney, art levy, a d.a. for new york state, who first discussed this issues in august of 2015. and former federal prosecutor, daniel azloen. and a former number two under cy vance. so let's start with you. we're now basically a day and a half out of this. how much of this is a ...