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Bit more vivid these days about what is this going to mean, how many more months, how many more years and he'll have to address that in some way. even if it is not to take that decision away from the ukrainians. >> you know, democracy in peril. >> john kirby -- >> go ahead. >> sorry, i pressed john kirby on that point yesterday to say are you going, is the administration going to pressure ukraine to cede territory to end the war and he said as evan was articulating there that this is -- that's up to ukraine, the definition of peace is up to ukraine and the u.s. position here, its role here is ...

Cassidy hutchinson about donald trump wanting to go to the capitol, knowing that there were people in the crowd who were armed and ready to go into the capitol. this is something that biden talks about all the time, what is at stake here. and i think in terms of meeting with the nato allies, that's the theme, he continues to promote, which is we have to triumph, we democracies, biden would say, have to triumph over authoritarianism. and what he saw at -- on january 6th, before his own inauguration, was an attempted coup and that's how he sees it. and, you know, that is really so important to h...

0 morning. as you know, conferences such as this can often be more talk than action. this one actually has some deliverables. the expansion of nato, welcoming finland and sweet sweden, gettir turkey's opposition, a significant expansion of forces on the eastern flank. i wonder as you look at this, evan, the president, central to these negotiations, has this been a success for president biden, has it been a success for nato? >> i think they're feeling that things are a lot better than they were predicted to be. it is worth reminding people just a couple of years ago you had a u.s. president tal...