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Around the constitution that the framers intended the politicians, our legislatures to be dependent on the people, not to be dependent on this other class of folks called funders. so the current situation is clearly unconstitutional or clearly at odds with framers' intent. and i was curious to hear your reaction to that, whether you think that's not the situation or whether or not there's a broader interpretation. >> no, the problem is you have this ungainly system because of a 1976 supreme court case, not citizens united, congress has allowed to cap contributions to candidates but not candida...

Campaigns and that the gap between the people and the funders only grows even greater. >> so this is actually an interesting issue in what we're talking ability on a day to day basis is the constitutional architecture of how we fund elections. one of the arguments you make is that it is clear in the constitution and in the history around the constitution that the framers intended the politicians, our legislatures to be dependent on the people, not to be dependent on this other class of folks called funders. so the current situation is clearly unconstitutional or clearly at odds with framers' i...

Around the constitution that the framers intended the politicians, our legislatures to be dependent on the people, not to be dependent on this other class of folks called funders. so the current situation is clearly unconstitutional or clearly at odds with framers' intent. and i was curious to hear your reaction to that, whether you think that's not the situation or whether or not there's a broader interpretation. >> no, the problem is you have this ungainly system because of a 1976 supreme court case, not citizens united, congress has allowed to cap contributions to candidates but not candida...

Are talking about republicans and not him. i'll give you an answer that i hope doesn't sound like a cliche. i think the american people are the ones that are going to get hurt long-term. whether you're a republican or democrat, you can't put this kind of money, if you're an average citizen, into politics. the unions can, the corporations can and they get to amplify, magnify their voice and frankly, until 2010, we thought there was a big enough problem that we had strict regulations in place to cap contributions and limit these independent expenditure committees we call super pacs. and now, it'...