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arguments, thinking through the issues from both sides, but i do know that the court needs -- that congress needs very clear guidance in this area. it's not fair to congress to keep on moving the goal posts. it's not fair to say, oh, well, you know, if you do this, this time, it will be objection but if you do that the next time it won't, so do i think -- >> ms. kagan, this is an issue we discussed weeks ago. this is an issue i raised in a series of letters which i'll put into the record. this is a standard which has been around for a long time, and you know a lot of law. senator gra...

>> the more specific we are, the better chances of what we do really matter. i understand the importance of caps and triggers as ways to get to the promise land. i would like to see us deal with real solutions. in listening to you will, i have some principles that are really important to me and some of them are like motherhood and apple pie. i want to first truly protect the truly disadvantaged whatever we do. i have not heard a single republican or democrat to disagree with that. i want to make those smart investments we have to make while we become more fiscally responsible. i want...