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Dr. steven brody is the associate executive director at kaiser permanente and joins me now from san francisco. doctor, thank you so much for being here with us. many european countries have lifted or are in the process of lifting their restrictions even though some still have high case counts. i mean, they're saying that the crisis is past and has yet to start living with covid. so when do you think the u.s. can sort of make that pivot toward dealing with it as an endemic disease? are we there now? >> well, we're actually starting to see a waning of the omicron surge which is actually welcome ...

Several other governors are considering shifts in school masking guidance. most states do not have masks required in schools. what do you think? is this the right time to remove masking? deaths are still high even though case counts are not. >> well, case counts are still high. >> well, they're going in the right direction. that's what i meant. i'm sorry. i misspoke. >> but that's an important point. we've become a little bit sort of numb to how many cases we have. let's talk about new jersey, for instance. where governor murphy is getting ready to remove masking requirements in school. new je...

Be controlled. they enjoy the submission. the division, and the snobbery of their government-backed belief. it gives their meekless lives meaning. and a false sense of power over others who won't bow down to the doctrine of the day. and they dual anything to keep this all from changing. so as the case counts dwindle they are cling to this pandemic and the protocols no matter what. look at new york, where a judge just struck down the governor's mask mandate. and what is she doing about it? she is fighting it don't want to lose control. and her mandate only lasts for one more week. the same powe...

There was and is a time and place for pandemic restrictions. but when they were put in, it was always with the understanding that they would be removed as soon as we can. and in this case, circumstances have changed. case counts are declining. also, the science has changed. we know that vaccines protect very well against omicron, which is the dominant variant. everyone 5 and older have widespread access to vaccines and we also know about one-way masking. the idea that even if other people around you are not wearing masks, if you wear a high-quality mask, that also protects you, the wearer, too...

The policies of closed borders and stricter lockdowns in asia did lead to generally a lot of case counts of death and reduced economic impact through 2020 and the first part of 2021. but now that the rest of the world has really much more decisively move towards a stance on living with covid and trying to treat it more like in an endemic disease, albeit quite serious one, asia has been starting to get left behind and they restrictions that still in this region are starting to have an economic impact. particularly in those countries that are more focused on service sectors, particularly tourism...