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You know, sort of -- cement wall or if there's a variety of different ways that he described or wants funding for, for security on the wall. i don't know where that is in the negotiation process right now. because i think things have sort of changed and he's become more, you know, more flexible on this. i could be wrong. i thought i understood that things were changing a little bit. >> elena, did we hear flexibility from the president? >> i do think -- >> he says he's prepared to have government shutdown months if not years. >> yes, that's something that appropriations chairman in the senate r...

Months, if not years. >> if not years. >> exactly. >> we're talking about a very long time that some may be asked to work without pay. >> that's right. >> fred, that's right. and it's like, like elementary school, when someone, no, you can't play with my balls. my ball everybody is dug in in here. pelosi won't give him a dime for the wall. there is border security. and there are other ways to get border security other than a cement wall. and his version of the wall changes by the minute. he doesn't know what he is talking about. >> i wonder how the president's jargon, i mean his word choice, e...

Up $5.6 billion for barriers, and maybe it's not a cement wall but it's some sort of fence or steal khratslats, the presidentd probably go along with that. and nancy pelosi is not being literal, but she is talking about a physical barrier, and they think it's immoral. nobody is proposing to tear down the walls we have. >> rick, that's the point. they are shoring up the fencing in places where there's holes or it's not working. democrats don't refuse to do that. this is a semantics thing. the president, listen, let's remember, the president was going to agree to the continuing resolution, okay,...

Politicians are saying, but let's have precision of language. a wall is a wall. we all know that. >> well, yes, i guess -- again, a wall is a wall, but they are all different types of walls made out of different materials for different purposes. i am not too sure the semantics is the problem here. i think the problem is that democrats do not want to give anything to the president where he can go back and say he built his wall. >> i think semantics are entirely the problem here and the president is not willing to say no, it doesn't have to be a cement wall. rick, last question. what is going to...

You know he is struggling with his base. he never said, okay, you win, it won't be a cement wall and we will make it a fence. >> i think republicans and conservatives would be happy if the barriers that were constructed were things that were appropriate and the experts, the folks at the border who are actually doing the work say, look, this is sufficient for what we want to accomplish in stopping this particular form of traffic. that, to me, is a way out, and something that i think conservatives could easily support. >> that's completely different than where we started and what mike pence said...