For this debt ceiling raising because it's just not reasonable to think that we would put -- this would be default by stupidity if we allowed the republicans to stand in the way of protecting the full faith and credit of the united states of america right now. >> so you said something interesting about considering changing the rules. do you think a potential default on our debt would be enough for some of the senators in a democratic caucus, right, some of your colleagues, to change their minds, the ones who have resisted changing the rules so far. do you think this, the potential to hit an ec...