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Title of your book, how the was brought war to ukraine is quite self explanatory and unambiguous. But the contrary in me wants to challenge it immediately, because after all, it was russia that launched this military operation on the ukrainian soil. And this is something that both Decision Makers and opinion shapers in the west are trying to frame as, as an act of aggression. That totally unprovoked act of aggression that goes against international roy. And i have to say theres some validity to this argument. Why do you think it was the was that was the Main Driving Force behind this conflict ...

moment. and you know, in your book i remind me reminded me a bit that it's a 1012 best seller by christopher clark on the origins of the 1st world. war, this leap workers, and one of the reasons that book was so popular is because he tried to break the old paradigm of assigning a culprit and focusing on the who and the why. and instead, he was more interested in the structural dynamics of swelling, animosity when you observe on the way the, the ones develop on both sides of that plan to do you think decision makers are cognizant? oh, how dangerous it could be. and perhaps of the hist...

with me turn welcome to wells apart and taken a go. when historians were revisiting the origins of the 1st world war, the term sleepwalking became very trendy in describing how divergent actors and self serving actress tangled together to produce one of the biggest catastrophes in human history. as the world address yet another period of tribe. are we still some be leading, or are we being deliberately lock into an obese? well, to discuss that i'm now joined by benjamin abil, all federal how the was brought war to ukraine. mr. abdullah was great to see you. thank you very much for yo...