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Had already stopped the Trip Planning by that point. And when did that happen . Stopping the Trip Planning . Yeah. On may 13th. Okay. And how did you hear about that . I was called by a colleague in the the Vice President s chief of staffs office and told to stop the Trip Planning. Okay. And as i understand it, it was the assistant to the chief of staff . Thats correct. Okay. And so you didnt hear about it from general kellogg or the chief of staff or the president or the Vice President , you heard about it from mr. Shorts assistant . Thats right. And did you have any knowledge of the reasonin...

Critic we heard on the committee, they were just airing policy differences. no, actually these people who have worked with different policies and under different presidents by definition. as you say, many went to the lawyers through the official cha channels because they saw something that looked wrong, inappropriate, and potentially illegal. that goes to something else here which is ultimately, this is not about leaking. it's not about criticism, it's not about anyone breaking the rules. the whistle-blower went privately through the secure channels and wrote down the concern. the people who y...