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You have to attack him substantively. you have to talk about january 6, you have to talk about character issues. you have to differentiate yourself. chris christie has done it very well. >> asa hutchinson and will herd? >> who? >> i think my point is that one of the candidates like a tim scott. >> like a ron desantis, if you're going to have credibility in a platform, you have to be willing to hit him. to your point, on issues that matter, you can't out-trump donald trump. >> and the word platform is here and we have a debate in six weeks and we'll have to see if donald trump shows up, a lot o...

To lie or does he just do it? >> maybe he's convinced himself it's true. it's true. who's got character issues, who now has cognitiv >> i thie and , yohau know, this is this is the result you get .sues and you're right. i sa. w anw an article in the pl somewhere yesterday in the new york posist that listed, you know, one after another all the lies in the tall tales that he's told just over the last the few months. it's ridiculous. i mean, these are lies tha laste that are easily dubonnet. most are physically impossible because, like you saidssible. , they involve somebody who diedd years befor...

True. >> i think somebody got character issues and he now has cognitive issues. i saw an article yesterday in the new york post that listed one after another of all the lies and the talltales he toll us the last several months. these are lies that are debunked and impossible. they loved somebody who died years before and he keeps telling these lies over and over again. you know his staff had to be telling him when he's on the road because it draws so much attention. he keeps on doing it and it tells me something is going on here. i think the white house has been covering something up for a whi...

Candidate and has south carolina tim scott and louisiana senator kennedy coming to try to get the crowd excited. 1.85 million people already voted here in georgia but there's still millions more who have not and those are the people who both campaigns are focused on this weekend. at both warnock and walker events they have been telling people i know you may have voted or have a plan to vote but call friends and family. call people who might even owe you money and tell them i need you to go and vote. trying to make as many jokes. herschel walker says if you don't have friends make some and then...

The whole package. >> right, i had him on a radio show yesterday. give a very robust defense of the things that the administration did. his focus -- on the full autobiography from when he was a kid. but there is whole sections on defending what they did. i think it comes down to a character issue. he is a man of deep faith. i think after january 6th he couldn't sustain some sort of lie that the election was stolen 2020. that began a pretty strong diversion to trump on character issues. >> eric, i mean, do you think mike pence would have a shot? >> you know, i think if people want, if they want...