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Immigration system. and making sure that we end family detention. >> would there be civil penalty for crossing the border? >> most people don't realize in the country when we talk about for instance the deportation process, that is a civil process. that is not a criminal process. so, crossing the porder would remain against the law. there would be consequences. many of the same consequences today. however, we would get rid of the law that's the tool that the trump administration or a future administration could use in order to separate children from parents. and i'll tell you, anderson, to the...

That didn't work by a 6-3 vote of the supreme court given the statutes continue has passed. so too, no president is above the law in the sense that a president remains subject to what the supreme court said in the clinton versus jones case, civil process. that's a precedent of the security. civil suits while in office. so to the criminal process, hamilton specifies this in federalist 69. a president is not above the law with respect to the criminal process. the only question that the justice department as i said to senator coons is opined on is the timing of the indictability question and the ...

Jones versus clinton which is the authority that michael will have, he is not going to mention who he is going to put on his deposition list, and who is front and center is dennison. the holding by the u.s. supreme court would not interfere by the president's discharge of his duty and therefore subject to civil process. that is a real problem. he can't escape from that unless he says i wasn't a party to this. if he says i didn't do this, then michael cohn has issues and i know he feels like it isn't breaking news, but obviously it is. no different than jones and bill clinton or broderick. >> t...

Assuming it doesn't happen in the white house, and you don't lie about it. and that's where bill clinton really got in trouble. >> well, and that's part of the problem. he's going to have to sit for a deposition one way or another. >> really? >> yeah. i mean, look, the u.s. supreme court ruled unanimously or with one concurrence that in jones versus clinton, ironically enough, that a civil lawsuit, if you believe the justices back in 19-whatever, said that wouldn't affect the president and what he has to do. so for civil process, you've got to sit. and this is a case clearly where he is right ...

>> really? >> yeah. i mean, look, the u.s. supreme court ruled unanimously, or with one concurrence that in jones versus clinton, ironically enough, that a civil lawsuit, if you believe the justices back in 19-whatever, said that wouldn't affect the president and what he has to do. so for civil process, you've got to sit. and this is a case clearly where he is right smack dab in the middle of it because his signature's not on there. he's got an aka. if they want to enforce some kind of an order, which is mind-boggling to me why they ran in and got the order because it seems to just kind of dou...