Michigan, barbara, explain this and explain why the biden department of justice here in the current administration would be seeking to make this defense and how could the case go at this point? >> so the justice department doesn't really look at who the person is. it is defending the office of the presidency or the executive branch. the argument goes like this, that if a person is an employee of the government and is engaged in the scope of their duties at the time of the alleged his conduct, then the united states steps in and substitutes itself for the defendant. when i was the attorney in m...