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Those doctors talking to each other. you know, the point is, you're supposed to self-report. if you self-report something along the lines of what we're hearing here, you're out of a job, essentially. so you could see that the inherent conflict of interest here in this system. >> let me ask you this, this is something that's a renewed debate here. we have seen that pilot suicides have occurred before, but rarely. now we're seeing many airlines change their cockpit rules, specifically here in europe to have two people in the cockpit at all times. do you think this will make flying safer? >> well...

Suicide -- we're seeing many airlines change the cockpit rules to have two people in the cockpit at all times. do you think it will make flying saf safer? >> it can't hurt and it doesn't cost anything. it is a separate issue here as well. it is probably a good idea to have somebody with him in there just in case something happens, if nothing else just to notify the captain in the lavatory. i think it is a good idea. you don't want the pilot left behind to evaluate who is at the door. i don't see a downside to putting someone in there. there is no real cost to the airline or the operations. >> ...

Used at lufthansa for years. >> you heard from the head of germanwings. now other airlines and regulators reviewing cockpit rules. urging airlines require two people be present at all times. that is a policy in the united states. air norwegian and emirates and air berlin are changing their policies. what do the new rules mean? if a pilot or co- pilot has to step out, another crew member will take the place in the flight deck. many wondering why the pilot was not able to bash his way into the cockpit. we will give you a close look at the door to show you how impenetrable it is. to yemen, a ...

Relationship with the world? >> and, tom, this terrible incident prompted a number of airlines, international airlines to change their cockpit rules. why was the u.s. the only country with two in the cockpit at all times rule? >> well i'm not sure how it came about. i think it was first of all, the idea was that if you're in the cockpit alone, there should be somebody at the door in case a hijacker got in but it's certainly served the purpose of making sure that nobody shuts you out of the cockpit. this situation couldn't have happened in our country. and can you see now that immediately other...

Despite these media reports that he was being treated for depression. so that does still remain a mystery. cnn has been speaking to people who knew lubitz. we have a picture of him running a marathon in 2013. those who knew him say he appeared healthy, he didn't smoke, they are surprised there was anything wrong. i think people are really still reeling from this just trying to digest what happened here. >> so much information coming out every day. it's almost impossible to digest it very quickly. pamela brown in dusseldorf, thanks so much. want to bring in ken maxwell, former vice president ...